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International Spec Levels For 2016 Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by HobbsNick, Jul 22, 2016.

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    Having just recently ordered a Prius I have to say how impressed I was with the spec level. I was talking it through with a colleague who has a BMW 420 and he couldn't believe that radar cruise control came as standard on the model I'd selected. My past experience has replicated his min that when it comes to additional kit you end up paying extra for even some of the basic items.

    I was wondering if the spec internationally for the Prius was the same and if people were surprised when they were looking to buy?
     
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    No. The spec varies by country. To be fair though, I was looking at a relatively basic VW Golf Diesel DSG before getting the Prius, and that came with radar cruise control and parking sensors. I had to pay extra to get the dealer to fit parking sensors to the Prius.
     
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    Specs vary by country although I've noticed that the UK tends to be fairly light on equipment when it comes to the Germans. (info I gathered from all the Top Gear tests... where "CD, Air and alloys" are apparently big enough to mention).

    Because our base engines for the Germans tend to be a bit larger, their base price is also higher so that leaves a bit of separation in pricing. Also, Canada has a 6.1% duty on any vehicle that isn't made in Canada/USA/Mexico (NAFTA rules) so we have a number of "foreign" manufacturers that produce cars locally. VW has plants in Mexico for North American consumption. MB also has a plant (Alabama I think) for local consumption. I don't think BMW or Audi have a plant here.

    Anyway, so the $30,000-$40,000 (CAD) range is the overlap. The 3/C/A4/IS/G35 used to compete in the mid 30s which meet up right with loaded V6 family saloons (Camry, Accord, Altima, 6, Fusion etc). However with the somewhat recent introduction of smaller, 2.0 litre turbo 4 models (A3, B-Class/GLA-Class/CLA-Class/1 Series which is called the 2 Series), the former junior exec cars have moved up in price point with the Germans pricing it near $40,000. Lexus and Infiniti still start in the high $30,000s. The new compact luxury cars are priced in the low-mid $30s which definitely overlap with family saloons. They haven't gone up much in price and still top out around the mid $30s (Passat and Legacy excluded. They go into the low $40s). Therefore someone who has $35,000 to spend (pre-tax) has a choice of a midsize family saloon with leather/moonroof/nav or a base to mid-spec compact luxury marque, which do not come with a backup camera, power seats, leather, nav, moonroof etc.

    The Prius has come down in price significantly.

    In 2005, a loaded Prius cost $37,995 (nav alone was a $3,350 option. The mid-spec without nav was $34,645. Bluetooth wasn't available in Canada IIRC, only in the US). At that time, a Camry XLE V6 w/ "B" Package is $36,735 but an Acura TSX (identical to your Honda Accord at that time with a few more luxury touches) was also $34,000 and was quite the bargain for a junior executive car.

    In 2010, a loaded Prius with DRCC, PCS and solar roof was $36,565

    The 2016 Prius with all the goodies (HUD, full-speed DRCC, PCS, LDW w/ SA etc) is $31,900.

    Part of the reason was the 2008 financial collapse that saw our dollar go past parity with the U.S. dollar (in the early 2000s, it was 1.5x the US dollar. So the 2001 Prius in the US was $19,990 while in Canada, it was $29,995). In 2009, Toyota responded by re-pricing most of their vehicles (more aggressively with Toyota than with Lexus vehicles).
     
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    Maybe its just me, the lastcouple of cars l've bought didnt come with much as standardand the mini Cooper S I had several years ago came with hardly anything.

    Mind to be fair my present car and the Prius we have just ordered we didn't do any shopping around.
     
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    I take it thats Canadian Dollars, works out quite a bit cheaper than the UK. Does that price include tax?
     
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    Canadian dollars. Prices do not include federal A/C excise tax of $100, tire & battery levy (some provinces.. ranges from $15-$25), Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI. Americans call this Destination or Freight) of $1,690. The subtotal of this is then subjected to a federal Goods and Service Tax (GST) of 5%. Some provinces charge 7% to 10% provincial sales tax (PST) while some provinces and territories have 0% provincial/territory sales tax. Some are harmonized (combined GST and PST) but for the purposes of calculation sales tax on a vehicle, it's the same thing as PST is always charged on vehicle purchase. So cars in some provinces can be more expensive due to PST. You cannot buy across the border to save on tax (but you can buy and bring back and subject it to your home province's PST) unless you have a mailing address and a driver's licence from that province (in case you're wondering if dealers near borders lose sales to the neighbouring province with no PST)

    A loaded Prius (The $31,990 one) purchased in the province of Alberta (5% tax) will cost $35,901 after tax. That same car purchased in Nova Scotia (15% tax) will cost $38,867.
     
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    Its still cheaper than the UK, we have a choice of 4 models starting at $39,982 inc tax unto $47,114 inc tax, mind with these things you have to look at the overall picture, sometimes it all to easy to focus on the price.
     
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    That is correct. Typically your vehicles are better specced than North American vehicles, with a few options that we do not get. I think that gap is shrinking but I haven't really scrutinized it lately. Most Canadian cars are similarly specced to the U.S. mostly for simplicity sake (Since our rules and regulations are similarly if not identical). The major differences would be the requirement of Daytime Running Lights (DRLs), metric units and French language warning labels. We used to have stricter low speed bumper requirements (8km/h vs 5km/h) where the bumper has to withstand cracking or damage at 8km/h. Now it's harmonized with the US to save on costs.
     
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    Your UK prices look similar to Australian - though there are some differences in equipment level.
     
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    In Germany the Prius is sold with a very good list of features. All 3 trim levels. Prius' list price is around 30k€ (VAT include).

    The mid-level I got had essentially all I wanted, except parking sensors, which I took together with IPA. And that's it together with rubber mats (cloth mats are standard - I have now 2 sets of mats) and luggage compartment rubber liner.
    There are some options which are essentially for looks and are added by the dealer.

    The Gen4 is priced 2000€ more than the Gen3, which taking into account for inflation, X-rate with Japan, and current tech offered standard, is essentially the same price. You get more bang for the buck.

    Like back in 2009, I tried to make a similar configuration with a similarly sized VW, Golf and/or Passat, and apart from the fact that if you don't take a diesel, fuel consumption is abysmally higher, and you need to add so many options and packet and go through a list without end, that you end up with 5k€ to 8k€ of extra options and an overall price which is 2-3k€ higher than the Prius. And I am not too sure about quality, maintenance costs. No thanks.

    The Prius in my opinion offers a lot for its price, considering the technology you are getting for the price. Other cars might be same quality and less expensive, but consume heaps more of fuel and pay more taxes because of the higher CO2 emissions (we are talking 36€/year vs 100€-300€/year; not much, surely, but I prefer that money in my pocket).

    Generically in EU there are not "cheap" hybrid versions like the Two in USA, to probably differentiate the Prius with the Auris and Yaris hybrid and not being a Camry Hybrid, there is no top of the line hybrid in EU that is not a Lexus (way more expensive) or a Prius.
     
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    If I was to drive my Prius into the centre of London, due to the low emissions, I would be exempt from the congestion charge that London has on weekdays between 7am-6pm. Only the Yaris hybrid would also be exempt, apart from a bunch of EVs and plug in hybrids I think. The charge is £10.50 a day, and if I drove into London every day of the week for 48 weeks, I'd save £2,520 a year, which is a big saving vs a regular car. I prefer more money in my pocket too :)

    Funnily enough, Lexus were trying to get rid of as many IS300h Sport models (in white) for lease before the end of June 2016 here, and I would have saved £50 a month on the lease if I'd chosen the Lexus rather than the Prius. Go figure.
     
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