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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by wjtracy, Aug 26, 2016.

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    ...the CNCDA.org sales data is now released:

    http://www.cncda.org/CMS/Pubs/CA%20Auto%20Outlook%202Q%202016.pdf

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    See the CNCDA quarterly report:
    • Hybrid sales down in CA...I thought CA might hold ground and go up to 35-40% USA Hybrid sales
    • Light Truck/SUV way up in CA like elsewhere
    • %PHEV in CA down a bit in 2016, I assume due to loss of HOV stickers
    • BEV now outpacing PHEV in CA with the loss of HOV green stickers to PHEV
    • California is ~11% of USA population so it should be 11% sales in CA (if CA was "normal")
    I am guessing PHEV will get new green HOV stickers in CA, we should hear soon.

    See also: Electric Drive Sales
     
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    thanks! how are total alt fuel sales ytd vs last year? down 10,000, or about 3%, am i reading that right?
     
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    Round numbers YTD July I see about -5% (decline) on Hybrid+BEV+PHEV but almost all of that is -15% (decline) in the hybrid segment. I believe Plug-ins up a bit from last year.
     
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    ev's are picking up so well, i'm more interested in the overall number. down is not a good thing, but i suppose we can blame gas as usual.
    a bigger concern is hybrid owners moving to ev, and not gasser owners. whenever i hear someone here say, ev's are selling better than hybrids did when they first came out, i always think, sure but are they picking off gasser drivers, or hybrid drivers?
     
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    Some hybrid drivers bought them because it was as close as they could get to a plug in at the time.
     
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    It's not really a fair comparison...just an advocacy talking point. As far as who is buying plug-ins...not sure if its all Prius alumni or what. Also plug-in owners off 2 or 3-yr leases.
     
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    agree. that's why overall numbers are so important. it's great if people are moving from hybrids to ev's, but if we're languishing at 3%, we're just treading water.
     
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    Plugin vehicles are picking up more non hybrid drivers than hybrid drivers.

    This is a bit old, but it attempts to answer exactly that question.
    Efficient car market growth and trends | PriusChat

    You can see quite a few performance and luxury car buyers are moving to BEVs.
    Yes, some hybrid drivers too, but not many as a percentage.
     
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    those are all nice, but still not enough info. either way, we're not making a dent in the overall market, and probably won't until gas prices rise again. on the plus side, ev is generally better than hybrid, and gassers are also getting more efficient. unfortunately, that just causes people to buy bigger ones.
     
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    Oh we are making a dent, just a very small one ;)
    Low gas prices don't cause people to buy bigger vehicles, but they do remove the encouragement to buy more efficient ones.

    Which is why efficient cars must ALSO appeal to those looking for performance, or drive quality, or convenience.

    Changing what the mainstream buyer prioritized is extremely difficult.
    Offering the buyer what they want, while difficult in an efficient car, is still tough.
     
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    how are we making a dent if sales are down from last year?
     
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    The way I look at it, every year hybrids make a 2-3% dent in new car sales.
    Sure, this year's dent is a smaller dent than last year's, but it is still a dent.

    Plug-in vehicle sales are growing, so while the PEV dent is smaller than the hybrid dent, it is bigger and bigger each year.
     
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    i want you in my foxhole, if only to make me feel better about the next incoming.:)
     
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    LOL, thanks :)
     
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