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Stumped by P0301 and P0302

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Jeff80465, Jul 24, 2016.

  1. Jeff80465

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    This has been an ongoing issue with our 2006. We purchased the car about a year ago and have put on just over 8,000 miles. Rebuilt the battery pack and replaced the 12v battery. This is my wife's car and I have a 2005, so I have done some diagnostics, tuneup, and even swapped some parts between the two cars trying to narrow down the issues.

    Only recently have codes been recorded. The car is has a noticeable misfire at low RPM. Here is what has happened up until now:

    11/29/15 - replaced spark plugs - #1 was fouled so I swapped coils between cylinders 1 and 4

    2/25/16 - replaced 12v battery with new battery

    4/1/16 - P0300, P0301 codes were first recorded and reset to see if they came back

    4/10/16 - swapped Integration Relay with my 2005 (part # 82641-47010). My 2005 ran poorly after the swap, so I put a used one in my 2005.

    5/29/16 - P0300, P0301 were back. Replaced plug again on cylinders 1.

    6/23/16 - Codes P0300, P0301 were back. Swapped 12V batteries with the 2005 - no change. Put new seals on all 4 injectors.

    7/9/16 - After a test drive, code P0301. Codes cleared.

    7/10/16 - MAF sensor cleaned and swapped with 2005. A bottle of HEET added to tank and tank was topped off. Codes cleared.

    7/16/16 - Codes P0300, P0301. Codes cleared.

    7/17/16 - Throttle body swapped with 2005 and cleaned thoroughly. I verified with my Mini VCI that both O2 sensors passed their checks. The only issue it seemed to record was misfires on #1.

    7/24/16 - Downstream O2 sensor swapped with 2005. Cleared codes. P0301 code came back after a short test drive.


    A few notes - My wife has been driving my 2005 since the 2006 started having so many issues. I have been driving my old truck. The 2006 is misfiring so badly that it isn't practical to drive and hasn't been driven except for test drives since 6/23/16. As I have been able to do some test drives with my Mini VCI, I have noted a few things. The car stumbles like crazy when it is below 1,200 RPM, records lots of misfires on #1. Once the engine gets above 1,300 RPM it does not seem to record any additional misfires.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    how many miles on her, does she burn any oil?
     
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    It is at 207,000 miles. We bought it at 199k. It uses some oil, but not anything more than I would expect for a car of this age/miles. This doesn't use any more oil than the other Prius.
     
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    have you cleaned the egr and intake manifold?
     
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    I would switch everything over from your 2005 and see what happens. Injectors, coils, plugs, throttle body, maf sensor. Should be pretty easy.

    But both cars would be out of commission. If 2006 still no good, then just junk it. Must have overheated
     
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    First thing I would check is the mass airflow sensor. Then follow with cleaning intake manifold and EGR as bisco suggested. There are some good tips in this thread: P0171 at full throttle | PriusChat
     
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    I understand that DTC P0301 is your major issue right now.

    I think that you should perform the engine compression check using the correct procedure. It is not particularly helpful to do the check the way that you did it since the engine will be spinning at around 1,000 RPM or more when MG1 is trying to start the engine.

    Since you have Mini VCI you can invoke the engine compression check: Diagnosis/OBD/HV ECU/Active Test/Compress Test. That will spin the engine at the correct speed, similar to the speed that a normal engine starter motor would spin the crankshaft at.

    The spec is 128 psi, the minimum is 99 psi, and there can be no more than 14 psi variance across the cylinders.

    If you find that the compression is OK, then the problem will be either with ignition (spark plug or igniter) or fuel (injector).

    What brand/model of spark plug did you install? If you did not use the correct iridium plug from NGK or Denso, that is at least part of the problem.

    If the car is still logging P0171 along with P0301, then clean the MAF sensor as previously suggested and look for unmetered air entering the engine. For example, a loose PCV hose, a bad seal on the engine oil cap or dipstick, a bad gasket between the throttle body and the intake manifold, etc.

    The fuel pressure is measured up in the engine compartment, where the fuel line connects to the injector rail. You may want to obtain the factory repair manual info about how to disconnect the fuel line and use a T fitting to attach the fuel pressure gauge. techinfo.toyota.com
     
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    Thanks guys. That gives me some things to think about. I figure it is something that I am just overlooking. Easy to miss something to check off the list. I was going by the factory manual (PDF version online). The P0301 misfire on #1 is keeping the car from being driven.

    The MAF and throttle body were both swapped with the 2005 and cleaned. Neither one made a difference in either car (would have expected the 2005 to crap out). The plugs are NGK, just as factory. I hadn't given much thought to the EGR, so I will likely try to tackle that as time permits.

    Regarding the fuel PSI, I wanted to test it just to rule it out. I don't suspect it as the problem, but better to make sure. If it were the problem, I would likely see random misfires across all cylinders, right?
     
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    Jeff, looking at back at the maintenance you did in November might offer a clue:

    Typically if there's just a misfire on one cylinder the first things to check are spark plugs, spark plug wires, and coils. Considering the work you did on 11/29/15, these sound like they're worth checking (probably not spark plugs as they were replaced, but are wires and coils ok?). Do you remember how the spark plug was "fouled" (was it worn down, covered with oil, etc.)? This could offer a clue to the current problem. Just thinking aloud, but if there were a lot of deposits in cylinder 1 it could certainly cause misfire.
     
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    No real hands on experience with this issue but what about a faulty ECM? It's located in the upper right dash I believe. Might be worth a shot if it's not too difficult for the OP to swap.
     
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    When I replaced the plugs in November it was because the car was running poorly. The car hadn't given any sort of codes at that time. I didn't know when the plugs had been replaced, or what type of plugs were in it, so I decided it was cheap maintenance. Turns out they were not terribly old and were NGK. #1 had fuel on it so I deduced there was a misfire occurring. Decided to swap the coil packs between 1 and 4 to see if it made a difference. No such luck.
     
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    I have given it some thought. Trying to avoid that as it could be a fair amount of work. I have been trying to tackle the simple stuff first. It is still on my radar as a possibility.
     
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    So I have some "updates". Unfortunately so.

    I haven't done squat really on my wife's 2006. Shortly after the last update, we found her a 2004 Subaru Forester XT (250hp and AWD) for $1,500. She wanted a Subaru again for winter driving since we live just outside Denver and can get considerable snow. The 2006 has just sat with the #1 misfire. I start it from time to time for a minute or two just to keep the engine moving and the battery charged up a bit.

    The worst news is that my 2005 now has the EXACT same problem as the 2006. Misfire on 1&2. Just started this morning (the wife tried to drive it after blowing out a Forester tire on debris in the road). The worst part is that it is a BAD misfire. The engine logged around 1,000 misfires within a minute or so. It sounds like it too. Planning to swap coils and plugs with 3&4 to see if anything changes. May also try a full set of new or rebuilt injectors.
     
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    If it was me I wouldn't swap parts between two 200,000+ cars. Buy 2 new original Toyota cops. Install them after making sure the plugs and plug base are clean. Apply some dielectric.

    If thats not it I would find someone who knows how to use an oscilloscope and look at the duty cycle of pulses turning on the cops. Just need to snake a thin wire into the plug to sneek out the signal.
    I would do the same to the injectors. It might be a flaky ecm and the bad firing rhythm will be distinct. Thats what Toyota techs do. If rhythm good on new cops and injectors its purely mechanical.

    Then....it could be is a blown bottom end. Bad main bearings or the beginning of that. Its puts some much sub vibration in the drivetrain particulary the piston rods the crank and cam sensor readings are disturbed and the car see's that as a misfire. This is easily confirmed by if you ever ran the car so low on oil it threw a dash cel. That will damage the bottom end
     
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    Good news is that I fixed the 2005 this evening. 4 new plugs, plenty of dielectric grease, and replacing 2 coil packs solved everything. It went from about 1,000 misfires on 2 cylinders every minute down to just 2 recorded misfires on a single cylinder over a 30 minute drive.

    Now it is time to tackle the 2006 again. Since it had the same symptoms and codes, maybe I missed something the first time around. As time permits, I will go through the ignition parts and report back. Fingers crossed!
     
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    The 2005 has been running like a top again since replacing the bad coil pack.

    So today I did some more work on the 2006. I put in 4 new plugs with dielectric grease, 4 new coil packs. No change. Then I swapped injector 1 for 3 and 2 for 4. Still no change. So I am still dealing with P0301. This seemed to resolve the P0302 that I had intermittently seen. Nothing seemed to make a difference for the P0301 though. Still plugging away at it.

    When I took it out for a test drive, the misfires still all occur at low RPM. When I am on the highway cruising, it doesn't log any. It only really seems to log any when the ICE kicks on, so basically city driving.

    For anyone interested, this is exactly how it sounds at lower RPMs:

     
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    Next would be injectors
     
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    I previously suggested that you test the engine compression using Mini VCI. The engine needs compression, fuel, and spark to run. You've addressed the last two by replacing the plugs/igniters and swapping the injectors. I again suggest that you correctly measure the engine compression and see what the results are.
     
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    Yeah, I need to see if I can figure out how to do a proper compression test. Will post results if I do anything.
     
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    This would be my top suspect. Have you tested for a vacuum leak already? Especially the intake manifold near cylinder 1?
     
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