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To be fair, the two links are measuring different things over different time frames using different data sets.

That said, the second link is primarily measuring driver safety, not car. As it includes DUIs, Citations, etc.
The first is measuring a large gray area between driver and car safety. It does not attempt to parse out the distinction.

This is a great example of how headlines can be vastly different, both be ‘true’, yet no one comes to the conclusion either one supports

 

To complete my investigation, I filled out their questionnaire which covered all the same subjects. Of course I got a lot of phone solicitations.

Since I am unhappy with Farmers, I may follow up.

Bob Wilson

 

The latest Tesla AP crash happened Friday afternoon in my area. While the lengthy crash backup was big traffic news then, other details were released just in the past hour.

Paying attention to his phone while letting AP guide his car, he was uninjured. The motorcyclist in front of him, was killed. He was arrested for Vehicular Homicide DSO (Disregard for Safety of Others). While alcohol was faintly present, it was such a small quantity that is was not judged to be a factor.

Driver says Tesla was on autopilot when car hit, killed motorcyclist on SR 522

"SNOHOMISH COUNTY, Wash. — The driver of a Tesla said he was on autopilot mode and distracted by his cell phone when his vehicle "lurched forward" and hit and killed a motorcyclist Friday afternoon.

The incident occurred on eastbound State Route 522 at Fales Road, and probable cause documents were filed by the Snohomish County Prosecuting Attorney's Office. The 56-year-old Tesla sedan driver told a Washington State Patrol trooper he was driving home behind the motorcycle on SR 522 when he looked down at his phone "while the vehicle was rolling forward on auto pilot."

Admittedly distracted by his cell phone, the next thing the driver knew, "there was a bang and the vehicle lurched forward as it accelerated and collided with the motorcycle in front of him," according to probable cause documents."
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"After conferring with my lieutenant on scene who spoke to a responding detective, it was agreed that based on the admitted inattention to driving, while on autopilot mode, and the distraction of the cell phone while moving forward putting trust in the machine to drive for him, (the driver) was placed under arrest for Vehicular Homicide DSO. A (drug recognition expert) evaluation was completed while at the hospital. The opinion reached by the DRE was not impaired.""

 

Son drove for the first time using the one month free trial for FSD in a year old MY Sunday. Route I drive regularly and my ;19 Toyota does just fine in helping me but of course doesn't pass by itself or select exits by itself. I've used it in the rain.

In the rain, he had two incidents he considered dangerous and required his intervention. It was a light rain, not a downpour. The roads were all divided 4 lanes and the missed turn off was only 5 years old and up to recent DOT/NC standards and had a long turn off lane. Led him into the lead in lane but never started the turn and would have run him off the road.

Noticed there was a new FSD update out today.

Tesla is in big trouble. Every day there is a negative article and it isn't the gas guzzlers propaganda but rather financial, regulatory, change of plans, price reductions, FSD repricing/renaming. Not to mention lay-offs and executive defections. Plus all the new battery technology articles that would cause people do wait for the 500 mile range infinite charging cycle version. Is the Model 2 coming or not? The Mexico factory? India? (with the demand, why do you need another factory?) BYD sales growth. And then there is Elon.

OTOH, there is Vinfast. Another case of watch the stock tumble.

 

Saying it was in autopilot doesn't mean it was, as this story just landed today...

Tesla vindicated as data shows Agrawal lied about Melbourne hit and run, car was NOT on Autopilot - techAU

 

Likely not relevant to this case, but there are cases where Autopilot/FSD decided the situation was beyond its capabilities, and turned off at a point the driver wouldn't be able to change the outcome. Of course the driver still needs to pay attention with these Level 2 systems, but that raises the question of how well the systems communicate their operating confidence.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/

 

This is going to kill the OP

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No kidding. The way I read it, they're under pressure to pay their workers more, improve product quality, introduce a cheaper model and maintain their historical growth simultaneously just to have their stock be worth half what it is now. It'll be a neat trick.

I'll go out on a limb with my own wacky prediction: [Ford • Tesla • Lincoln] dealers by 2027.

 

Well in the article I quoted, 30 seconds before the crash, the autopilot feature was not switched on.

All I'm saying is we need to get the telemetry data before a cause can be determined, not just relying blindly on what the driver said.

 

Why I didn't think it was relevant to this case. Just wanted to point out that a quick from comment Tesla or other manufacturer about the ADAS not being on also shouldn't be taken blindly.

 

nonsense. you sound like the fud articles online

 

I'm on 2024.3.15 (2024-04-10) (FSD v12.3.4) which I drove from Huntsville AL to the Heritage Inn near Auto Amor just East of Nashville:


I had one unexpected slow down approaching Murfreesboro, a soft "phantom brake," that shares characteristics of a Google Map error. I may or may not investigate it further because I so seldom take that route. It depends upon if the return route shows the same slow down returning home in the South bound lanes.

Other than that, I died in a horrible, flaming, Full Self Driving, Tesla accident and my ghost is in a motel room banging out this posting. Since my room is facing the busy Hickory Ave, street drag strip near an emergency fire station, I must be in H*LL.

Bob Wilson

 

Up almost $20 on the day in after hours trading.

What expectations have changed in the last 24 hours? Revenue (selling prices down = revenue per vehicle down)? Margins (selling prices down, headcount down 10%)? EV sales in general? (down and what new model features will cure that?)? And announcing new models will be here sooner does what to sales of inventory?

Stock prices should be based on expectations of future profits. Rising price for the stock should mean either making the company more valuable or the distribution increasing stockholders (or a mix).

 

I listened to the audio Q1 report and look forward to the transcript and Q1 financials. However, my first impressions, I'm not selling because the profit margin is still over 18%.

I'm a little unhappy that I'm paying ~$1,000 for windshield and sun screen rock protection instead of buying TSLA stock:

BRAY is an exterior windshield protection film designed to significantly reduce the risk of replacing expensive windshields, especially those with cameras and sensors. The film guards your windshield against scratches, chips, cracks, and even stains so that your vision remains unobstructed. WIth a TPU based plastic, rocks are able to bounce off of your windshield instead of crack or chip into the glass, saving you from the hassle of replacement and the diminishing resale value from cutting out the factory's original (OEM) seal. The optical clarity ensures an intact look and clear visibility. The windshield is one of the most vulnerable parts of your vehicle. Protect it with the best technology on the market! Let's be honest, you have better things to do than worry about a broken windshield. ​

Bob Wilson

 

More versions:

SeaTimes:Tesla driver was using Autopilot before fatal Monroe crash, police say

KING-TV: Driver was using Tesla auto-pilot feature at time of deadly crash in Snohomish County

I believe a sentence on the TV's video version, concerning the legality of using this system in this state, had a not-insignificant different wording than its print version.

I have full confidence that homicide investigators, and defense counsel, will obtain firm verification of what mode it was in, before any trial might occur.

Talk about missing the point ...

This local Tesla AP user appears uninjured, save for a tiny needle prick from the mandatory blood draw for testing for chemical impairments. Now resting at home in his easy chair. The Tesla S's crash protections were excellent in protecting him as an occupant.

OTOH, the Tesla's involved non-occupant is resting in a freezer in a local funeral home. Tesla's various protections didn't do sh*t for him, but instead actively ran him down from behind.

How heartless.

 

A radar didn't help this Honda driver that was killed when a Mach-E ram into his car at highway speed. Sure, he was parked in the middle of the highway at night with no lights on, but radars don't need no visible light to see. Cameras and radars have trouble discerning parked vehicles from background noise.

Driver in fatal Texas crash was using Ford’s auto driving system, officials say | Ford | The Guardian

 

Regardless, the ADAS wasn't able to see the parked vehicle. AEB uses the same sensors as the ADAS anyway.