"50yrs from now, Jobs will be forgotten - Gates revered." - Agree?

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"50yrs from now, Jobs will be forgotten - Gates revered." - Agree?

Yes 1 vote(s) 4.2%
No, Jobs will be revered - Gates will be forgotten 2 vote(s) 8.3%
Both will be rembered 9 vote(s) 37.5%
Both will be forgotten to people we have yet to hear about or even born 12 vote(s) 50.0%
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    Chuck. Honda Enzyte Driver

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    Chuck., Jun 10, 2012
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    ProximalSuns Senior Member

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    That's what they pay him for. You just linked to it and boosted CNN online revenue. Multiply by 10,000 other discussion forums. Jackpot!!

    Look back 50 years, 1962, who do we remember from computer world. Hewlett and Packard, Watson of IBM. Noyce and Moore of Intel.

    So Jobs and Gates will both be remembered 50 years from now. Who gets remembered has more to do with how the company they were associated with does over the next 50 years vs. what they did. So they get remembered most for something they didn't do, making future decisions for the company they founded.
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    In 5 years people will forget Gladwell
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    I honestly believe that Jobs really did put a dent in the universe. From the personal computer for every household approach to the sleek design aspects. Just look at how many touch-face smart phones there were prior to the iPhone compared to today; how many successful tablets prior to the iPad, how many all-in-one desktop computers prior to the iMac and how many solid-state ultra-light laptops prior to the Air.

    In the end, however, I think Jobs and Gates will both be remembered. Gates for creating a software company that put its OS and apps on the vast majority of computers around the world. The downside is that with no prior knowledge of the exact computer components running the software and the myriad software packages running on the OS, Windows programmers are forced to created a bloated OS to handle every scenario and sometimes it can't.
    Jobs, on the other hand, tightly controlled the software and hardware aspects of Apple computers which ensured solid performance but at the expense of the purchaser who couldn't go out and buy a cheapy computer running OSX.

    Personally, I grew up on DOS and Windows computers but am an Apple convert who realizes that Windows runs much faster and smoother in a virtual machine on a Mac.
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    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    i agree to disagree. i agree that Gates will be remembered more for his philanthropy than his software prowess. But i also share the thought that Jobs made a much bigger impact on culture than he did in computers or software.

    there are a lot of people in our past that have well known names and, imho, did very little to gain that notoriety. most were attributed to a brief detour in our cultural sidetracks like Tiny Tim and his brief uninspiring appearance on Johnny Carson.

    now, i think Jobs was penalized by having a relatively common name because i really think that someone would have created a term to express his dynamism. but lets face it. to say "he has really jobbed it today" is simply not catchy enough plus job already has a meaning that is loosely tied (in some cases!) to getting things done

    after all, google was an invented name that was taylor-made to be mainstreamed
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    While I have hardly touched an Apple computer - worked in a Microsoft environment all my life, there is an irony Macaddicts will be humored at.

    My starter HP notebook took as long as two minutes to boot up - now it's down to 30 seconds. Part of it is swaping the hard drive for an SSD, but lots of it is painstaking efforts to search and disable all the unnecessary services that slow down the start up, then clog the memory, uninstalling numerous apps, esp HP bloatware. In other words, I've adopted the philosophy of a Mac by keeping things lean and simple.

    My next notebook will need to have room for several OSs, and right now the best one is the iMac....we'll see about Windows 8.
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    who?
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    no one will remember them who remembers the inventor of television or radio? and these guys didn't even invent anything, they just capitalized on others work. not to take anything away from them, they were both good at what they did.
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    The guy that made the Macs of today possible by making Unix, died the same month as Jobs. I learned that months after the fact, and have already forgotten his name.

    I agree with this.
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    Dennis Ritchie was co-developer of Unix, I don't remember the other guys name. Ritchie was also the developer of the C programming language.
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    Philo Farnsworth. Marconi. Maybe a better question is who will be reading history books.
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    Gladwell's point was worth making. However, it was stated in the most incendiary way possible.....which was good for starting this thread. The first thing I thought off while reading is what company leaders from 50 years ago are household names. Who were the leaders of IBM, DEC, Xerox? Now what medical advances made household names. Salk anyone?

    What really immortalizes a name is being a really evil or nasty crook. Al Capone anyone.
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    ken olsen? ahn wang?
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    Immortalized, or mocked forever?

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    How many successful tablets after the iPad? Sorry, it was a perfect chance to dig at the relative failure of all other tablet competitors :p
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    50 years ago, the most successful computer company was IBM.

    Quick, name the guy who was their CEO back then. Or name their founder.
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    Thomas Watson was the founder.

    Famous ex-IBM guy that made a little money: H Ross Perot

    [IMG]
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    Chuck., Jun 11, 2012
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    Remind me again how many MS products are in the MOMA ?

    On a separate tack --
    How many people have heard of Unix ?
    Of VMS ?

    How well known is the MS research dept (not the marketing) ?
    Compared to Xerox's PARC -- a dismal failure profit wise.

    All I can remember about Gates is that he copied the Mac (poorly), while co-opting standards for monopoly purposes. If you have seen one capitalistic robber baron, you have seen them all.
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