A Little Diesel in Gas Reduces Emissions by 51%

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  1. Rokeby

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    "John Mullinix of Ledford has acquired a provisional patent on a fuel
    mixture he says will dramatically reduce the amount of noxious
    emissions from automotive engines.

    "The mixture is simple: One ounce of diesel fuel per 10 gallons of
    gasoline.

    "Mullinix has reports from John A. Logan College and Southern Illinois
    University on vehicles tested using his formula that indicate significant
    declines in hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and nitrous oxide.

    "The study at SIU involved a Ford F-150 pickup truck.

    "Hydrocarbon emissions -- unburned fuel in the form of carbon soot
    responsible for smog -- after flowing through a catalytic converter
    tested at 21.700 parts per million with gasoline. That same gasoline
    with the 1 oz. of diesel added tested at 10.005 parts per million --
    a 51 percent hydrocarbon emission reduction."


    A slight MPG increase is also noted.

    More here.

    Could it really be this simple to significantly reduce emissions of
    ALL the gas powered cars on the road?

    If this mixture really works, shouldn't the EPA require it's being
    put on the market immediately after further validation testing?
     
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    Try saying THAT three times fast. Where's the science???
     
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    Let's just say that I'm sceptical. And what were the results for the other emissions?
     
  4. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers, Nadir of Wrongness

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    And what happens to the Catalytic Converter?
     
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    Only one study vehicle?

    This isn't science yet, it is just a slow news day at the local newspaper.
     
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    About all I would expect it to do is reduce the octane rating of the fuel a bit. That would probably speed up ignition a little but lead to knocking. Bear in mind that diesel and petrol are both mixtures of hydrocarbons of different weight, diesel just being way easier to self-ignite.

    It's highly unlikely to do anything to the catalytic converter as the HC is mostly burned by the time it gets to the converter anyway.

    I'd be skeptical about the testing too: you have to perform the proper EPA test cycle under the right conditions to be fully reproducible, and perform A-B-A testing (without, then with, then without, the added quantity of diesel). It's much more likely that the 'result' has come from testing at idle and that the truck was cold for the first test and warmed up for the second. Or some other change in conditions.

    You can do any other test cycle you like, such as New European Driving Cycle. If you do that, you can compare with the official values that the manufacturer submitted for that vehicle to see if there was an obvious fault with the vehicle being tested that might explain the results.
     
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    Hey ... who worries about the details

    :rolleyes:

    Funny, isn't it? 2 stroke gas engines (which require pouring in a bit of oil into their gas) being outlawed due to their increased smog ... but pouring oil into gas reduces emissions. ok, now why can't I follow this logic . . .

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  8. bwilson4web

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    Gasoline and diesel come from the same refineries and are blends of hydrocarbons . . . more like groups that can't economically be separated. So I find this report stretches credibility ranking right up there with adding acetone to gas.

    You are right that a lot of testing is needed to validate this claim. But given how hard it is to separate the various hydrocarbons from crude oil and how long we've been doing it, skepticism is justified.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    My BS indicator went off scale as soon as I read the title of this thread.

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    The testing was actually done on multiple vehicles, all under the same conditions. A calibrated Mustang Dyno with build in 5 gas was used and each vehicle was run multiple times through the IM240 with varying concentration of the additive to determine the optimum mixture. The results of each test were compared, and several runs were done on different days and compared to eliminate any variations.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    And...?
     
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    i was just about to type that...
     
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    You wanted facts? From someone practicing homeopathy on gasoline? I was impressed he could form English sentences. I had no expectation he could link to double blind testing.
     
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    Let's see...10 gals of gas, 1 oz of diesel and 2 tbs of acetone...clean air and better gas mileage :rofl:
     
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    If you mix a cup of water in with your petrol you reduce emissions to 0 after a few minutes.
     
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    Don't forget the sugar. Then it's 0 emissions and 0 energy consumption, life time :D.
     
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    I just keep adding electrolyte, isn't that how these plugin things work......?
     
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    Not running an RBI or at all, will reduce the emissions to zero as well. Saves a lot of money too!

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    you forgot Brawndo
     
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    If we can't let this year old Zombie thread die . . . . . .

    I say throw a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil into the formula too. After all, it has 30 years of scientific research behind it.
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