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April 2014 - Hybrid Dashboard Report

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    The format changed a little this month so I had to make some changes but here it is:
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    0 [tr][th]model[th]Apr_14[th]Mar_14[th]Feb_14[th]Jan_14
    1 [tr][td2]Prius Liftback[td2]10298[td2]10917[td2]7396[td2]7205
    2 [tr][td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-
    3 [tr][td2]Jetta Diesel[td2]4355[td2]4052[td2]2073[td2]2026
    4 [tr][td2]Passat Diesel[td2]3923[td2]4549[td2]1696[td2]1524
    5 [tr][td2]Camry Hybrid[td2]3916[td2]4287[td2]2517[td2]1978
    6 [tr][td2]Prius C[td2]3569[td2]3685[td2]2681[td2]2467
    7 [tr][td2]Fusion Hybrid[td2]3537[td2]3903[td2]3096[td2]2607
    8 [tr][td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-
    9 [tr][td2]Prius V[td2]2403[td2]2528[td2]1743[td2]1730
    10 [tr][td2]Leaf[td2]2088[td2]2507[td2]1425[td2]1252
    11 [tr][td2]Sonata[td2]2055[td2]2430[td2]1907[td2]1340
    12 [tr][td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-
    13 [tr][td2]Prius Plug In[td2]1741[td2]1452[td2]1041[td2]803
    14 [tr][td2]C-Max Hybrid[td2]1586[td2]1685[td2]1301[td2]947
    15 [tr][td2]Volt[td2]1548[td2]1478[td2]1210[td2]918
    16 [tr][td2]Avalon Hybrid[td2]1522[td2]1600[td2]613[td2]970
    17 [tr][td2]Accord Hybrid[td2]1442[td2]1346[td2]910[td2]525
    18 [tr][td2]Model S*[td2]1400[td2]1300[td2]1400[td2]1300
    19 [tr][td2]ES Hybrid[td2]1242[td2]1384[td2]945[td2]866
    20 [tr][td2]Optima Hybrid[td2]1060[td2]1879[td2]960[td2]777
    21 [tr][td2]CT200h[td2]1054[td2]1480[td2]1230[td2]1290
    22 [tr][td2]MKZ[td2]1047[td2]1411[td2]919[td2]726
    23 [tr][td2]3-Series Diesel[td2]929[td2]777[td2]916[td2]486
    24 [tr][td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-[td2]-
    25 [tr][td2]Fusion Energi[td2]743[td2]899[td2]779[td2]533
    26 [tr][td2]X5 Diesel[td2]724[td2]735[td2]501[td2]317
    27 [tr][td2]Lacrosse Hybrid[td2]716[td2]536[td2]506[td2]445
    28 [tr][td2]Q5 Diesel[td2]532[td2]519[td2]422[td2]483
    29 [tr][td2]C-Max Energi[td2]525[td2]610[td2]552[td2]471
    30 [tr][td2]Cruze Diesel[td2]491[td2]644[td2]508[td2]357
    31 [tr][td2]Golf Diesel[td2]479[td2]515[td2]366[td2]386
    32 [tr][td2]Cayenne Diesel[td2]475[td2]562[td2]350[td2]268
    33 [tr][td2]Civic Hybrid[td2]450[td2]338[td2]443[td2]439
    34 [tr][td2]Insight[td2]441[td2]410[td2]339[td2]317
    35 [tr][td2]ML Class Diesel[td2]438[td2]457[td2]364[td2]267
    36 [tr][td2]GL-Class Diesel[td2]434[td2]396[td2]415[td2]312
    37 [tr][td2]Highlander Hybrid[td2]418[td2]333[td2]105[td2]145
    38 [tr][td2]Q7 Diesel[td2]410[td2]411[td2]310[td2]291
    39 [tr][td2]RX 400 / 450 h[td2]387[td2]852[td2]621[td2]637
    40 [tr][td2]GLK Class Diesel[td2]369[td2]411[td2]298[td2]259
    41 [tr][td2]CR-Z[td2]369[td2]354[td2]318[td2]267
    42 [tr][td2]Touareg Diesel[td2]319[td2]285[td2]195[td2]192
    43 [tr][td2]A6 Diesel[td2]303[td2]249[td2]202[td2]205
    44 [tr][td2]5-Series Diesel[td2]294[td2]281[td2]576[td2]241
    45 [tr][td2]E-Class Diesel[td2]264[td2]251[td2]229[td2]204
    46 [tr][td2]Q50 Hybrid[td2]263[td2]380[td2]328[td2]59
    47 [tr][td2]forTwo EV[td2]203[td2]186[td2]122[td2]97
    48 [tr][td2]Beetle Diesel[td2]184[td2]212[td2]123[td2]155
    49 [tr][td2]Pathfinder Hybrid*[td2]183[td2]237[td2]191[td2]265
    50 [tr][td2]500E*[td2]152[td2]166[td2]40[td2]35
    51 [tr][td2]Jetta Hybrid[td2]149[td2]276[td2]232[td2]224
    52 [tr][td2]Malibu Hybrid[td2]130[td2]191[td2]202[td2]232
    53 [tr][td2]Focws EV[td2]116[td2]177[td2]129[td2]100
    54 [tr][td2]Civic[td2]115[td2]62[td2]37[td2]66
    55 [tr][td2]QX60 Hybrid*[td2]114[td2]167[td2]135[td2]238
    56 [tr][td2]Spark[td2]97[td2]108[td2]71[td2]93
    57 [tr][td2]A7 Diesel[td2]90[td2]72[td2]55[td2]70
    58 [tr][td2]Cayenne Hybrid[td2]84[td2]96[td2]64[td2]45
    59 [tr][td2]RAV4 EV[td2]69[td2]73[td2]101[td2]63
    60 [tr][td2]Panamera S E-Hybrid[td2]63[td2]56[td2]57[td2]141
    61 [tr][td2]ELR[td2]61[td2]81[td2]58[td2]41
    62 [tr][td2]A8 Diesel[td2]52[td2]64[td2]59[td2]44
    63 [tr][td2]Fit EV[td2]50[td2]37[td2]33[td2]30
    64 [tr][td2]ILX Hybrid[td2]49[td2]46[td2]42[td2]27
    65 [tr][td2]Regal Hybrid[td2]41[td2]95[td2]88[td2]78
    66 [tr][td2]E400H[td2]39[td2]9[td2]15[td2]23
    67 [tr][td2]Accord Plug In[td2]37[td2]18[td2]24[td2]27
    68 [tr][td2]GS 450h[td2]35[td2]25[td2]23[td2]30
    69 [tr][td2]Impala Hybrid[td2]34[td2]49[td2]38[td2]34
    70 [tr][td2]S-Class Diesel[td2]27[td2]20[td2]6[td2]31
    71 [tr][td2]Q5 Hybrid[td2]21[td2]35[td2]24[td2]36
    72 [tr][td2]ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih)[td2]13[td2]27[td2]18[td2]9
    73 [tr][td2]i[td2]12[td2]24[td2]3[td2]1
    74 [tr][td2]M Hybrid[td2]11[td2]19[td2]14[td2]44
    75 [tr][td2]LS 600h[td2]9[td2]7[td2]11[td2]11
    76 [tr][td2]Yukon Hybrid[td2]7[td2]5[td2]2[td2]4
    77 [tr][td2]ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih)[td2]6[td2]12[td2]18[td2]22
    78 [tr][td2]7-Series ActiveHybrid[td2]6[td2]4[td2]3[td2]3
    79 [tr][td2]Tahoe Hybrid[td2]5[td2]20[td2]6[td2]8
    80 [tr][td2]Touareg Hybrid[td2]3[td2]4[td2][td2]3
    81 [tr][td2]Silverado Hybrid[td2]3[td2]1[td2]3[td2]1
    82 [tr][td2]Escalade Hybrid[td2]2[td2]1[td2]4[td2]9
    83 [tr][td2]S400HV Hybrid[td2]0[td2]1[td2]2[td2]1
    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard - HybridCars.com (well worth reading!)
    • VW diesels #2, #3 - significant improvement, diesel card promotion?
    • Prius hatchback - flatline even with gas prices up, hummm
    Bob Wilson
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Now the charts:
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    All I'm seeing is recovery to 'normal' sales with the addition of two VW diesels becoming significant players. By no means dominant, they have moved up to the middle tier.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    The diesel market has me scratching my head: Jetta, Passat up, and; Golf down. The other diesels are 'in the noise' but my eyes don't see a trend. What is up with the Jetta and Passat that the Golf is missing?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    styling?
     
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    Accord Hybrid heading in right direction. Last I checked the fuelly aggregate for 37 posters was ...

    40.9 MPG average. If it hits about 44 or 45 when they get hundreds of posters, I'll say the 47 avg is legit. Prius has never hit 50 on fuelly, but often within 2 or so mpgs from average, like 47 or 48.
     
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    steady as she goes! need an uptick in the economy so gas prices can rise.
     
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    The new generation Golf is coming out in a month or two. There may not be many old ones left, or perhaps customers are waiting for the new one.
     
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    We've seen the same phenomena in depressed 2009 Prius sales after the 2010 was announced.

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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    There may be a subtle pattern between the Golf, Jetta, and Passat that gives a clue about price, performance, and recent sales:
    Column 1 Column 2 Column 3 Column 4
    0 [tr][th]Golf[th]Jetta[th]Passat[th]metric
    1 [tr][td2]$19 995[td2]$15 695[td2]$20 845[td]low MSRP
    2 [tr][td2]$27 995[td2]$29 955[td2]$34 265[td]high MSRP
    3 [tr][td2]compact[td2]compact[td2]midsize[td]class
    4 [tr][td2]hatchback[td2]sedan[td2]sedan[td]body style
    5 [tr][td2]94 ft{3}[td2]94 ft{3}[td2]102 ft{3}[td]passenger volume
    6 [tr][td2]15 ft{3}[td2]16 ft{3}[td2]16 ft{3}[td]luggage volume
    7 [tr][td2]42 MPG[td2]42 MPG[td2]40 MPG[td]highway MPG
    8 [tr][td2]34 MPG[td2]34 MPG[td2]34 MPG[td]combined MPG
    9 [tr][td2]30 MPG[td2]30 MPG[td2]30 MPG[td]city MPG
    10 [tr][td2]479[td2]4355[td2]3923[td]April sales
    11 [tr][td2]515[td2]4052[td2]4549[td]March sales
    12 [tr][td2]366[td2]2073[td2]1696[td]February sales
    13 [tr][td2]386[td2]2026[td2]1524[td]January sales
    Sources: EPA metrics and Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Dashboard report

    It may be the Golf is on the small end of compact. It also is a hatchback and in a narrower price range compared to the Jetta. In contrast, the Jetta and Passat have more 'overlap' of specs and price.

    This suggests Toyota has a hole: a compact, hybrid sedan. The Camry hybrid is a full-size sedan and in the top tier. The Prius c does a good job as a compact hybrid but it is not a sedan. But there is a risk of assuming a VW diesel buyer shares characteristics with a Toyota hybrid driver and I'm not sure that is the case.

    Before the 2010 came out, VW diesel advocates loved to 'burn rubber' and 'highway driving' (busted!) The advocates shared an attitude reflected in the "meet the Volkswagen" that complained the Prius did not make a 'manly noise.' In contrast, Prius advocates were strong on MPG and not enough on the vehicle as transportation (*) . . . it is a dang car for Gosh Sakes.

    The best thing Toyota could do with the next generation Prius is listen to the 'car guys' and borrow a Lexus designer to give us:
    • comfy seats - we already know Consumer Reports would 'fall in love' with a comfortable seat option
    • comfy cabin - how about some 'retro' cabin controls, bring back the knobs
    • quiet the cabin - the car is already quiet enough for legislation, protect the cabin
    Bob Wilson

    * - It took three months to master 52 MPG in our compact, 2003 Prius. But it was followed by emergency power inverter and a tow bar.
     
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    Hatchbacks never sell well. The Golf TDI and Jetta TDI were both similarly priced last year but sales weren't even close.
     
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    I'm seeing:
    • Toyota PiP at 5,037 units sold YTD 2014 vs. 2,922 units sold this time last year.
    I'm guesstimating*:
    • 1,700 PiP's sold outside CA year to date
    • if so that's 3,337 PiPs sold in CA YTD 2014, up from an estimated 1,227 CA PiPs last year (almost triple)
    • If true, this would say 66% of PiP's have sold in CA so far this year (vs. an estimated 42% last year)
    • It suggests total Plug_In sales in CA further increasing towards 50% for 2014 (vs. 44% last year)
    • CA Green HOV sticker shortage and low prices on PiP's in CA are probably "driving" this
    • Interesting to see if trend holds for rest of year, but sounds like CA may approve more green HOV stickers!
    * estimates based on 42% PHEV sold in CA in 2013. I figure last year 42% of PHEV were sold in CA, 46% of BEV were sold in CA, and 44% of PHEV+BEV (total Plug_ins) were sold in CA. So I am assuming 2014 PiP sales rates holding constant outside of CA, and I am also assuming PiP was 42% CA last year. In other words, I don't think we have any data showing how many PiPs have been sold in CA (nor Volts) so I am forced to guess based on overall PHEV sales figures. CNCDA.org recently gave out CA 2011, 2012, and 2013 Year end composite numbers for PHEV and BEV.
     
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    Percentages may be skewed a bit as PHEVs are available nationwide, yet the PiP is available, officially, in 15 (?) states.
    However, I am not sure if that would raise, or lower the percentage?
     
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    ...fyi Zythryn one thing we do know is %Tesla's sold in CA 2013 and it seems pretty close to the overall 46% of total BEV's.
     
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    Well, I can personally vouch that PiP's are NOT available in AZ. We wanted one, but none in AZ dealerships, only available from/thru California.
     
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    a sedan prius? hard to believe it would be a big seller, but what do i know?:cool: i love our hycam, but i would prefer more venza like.
     
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    True.
    That doesn't have any bearing on the PiP though, does it?
     
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    The appeal of the Passat Diesel and the Jetta Diesel IMHO with a POV of the Washington DC Metro Area is that both get good fuel economy, have good payload-cargo capacity, and both come in wagon configuration which makes them a more fuel efficient alternative to the standard SUV people buy.. Diesel cost about 5% to 10% more than regular gas that a hybrid uses, but diesel vehicles have more reserve power and cargo capacity than a hybrid based power plant vehicle like a Prius V or a Lexus CT 200h. Also, while expert hybrid mechnics are rare here there is no shortage of skilled diesel auto mechanics here. However, buying a new new diesel vehicles in the DC area can be a real hassle because VW only sends a limited number of diesels here which guarantees buyers will get gouged by the dealerships. Toyota atleast for now seems to be shipping as many Prii to the DC area as the market will handle and that's has eased up price gouging of hybrids. The Prius liftback can get better real world fuel efficiency than the Jetta TDI or the Passat TDI even if one ignore the fuel cost differences. With respect to pollutant emissions - the Prius model line is designed to be more environmentally friendlier than diesel based vehicles like the VW TDI series.
     
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    ...correct no bearing on PiP stats, just thought you might be interested.
     
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    Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure if I was missing something there.
     
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    I'm trying to find more details about the VW promotions:
    Source: VW Diesel Push Pays Off in March | North America content from WardsAuto

    Another:
    Source: Volkswagen TDI Clean Diesel Sales Event - Spring Event

    I'm getting the impression from TDIclub forum postings this is a credit card with a pre-paid, $1,000 balance. You can buy fuel or anything else you want using the card. It is an alternative to dropping the price $1,000. But it is brilliant labeling it a "fuel card."

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