California Prius Drivers May Lose HOV Access

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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Danny, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. Soylent
    Was there a cap at 85,000, or is that the total number of applicants?
  2. scotty321
    It's ridiculous. I live in Los Angeles, the traffic is horrendous, but the real solution is A REAL PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.

    We're the largest city in the nation yet we have no public transportation, except for an unreliable and shrinking bus system. But the city doesn't seem to be moving too quickly on the idea of public transportation.

    At one point in the 1950's, we had some of the best public transportation in the country, but it was bought out and dismantled by General Motors. This is explained in the documentary "Taken For A Ride", available for viewing here: Taken for a Ride
  3. Ogo
    Maybe it is now time to dismantle General Motors and build some public transit there ...

    Otherwise I agree. Been in LA for a week as a tourist and yes you really need to rent a car there to get somewhere. So I did. :eek:

    Which is the opposite what I would do in Paris or London. :D
  4. ceric
    I am all for raising the threshold to 65mpg and beyond for the new stickers.
    By raising the limit, it encourages new technology (such as Plug-in) to be more attractive to consumers. Its funny to me that Toyota/Ford are against raising the limit since they have no vehicle that qualifies, while GM is all for it (same time frame as Volt's release). I don't recall that Toyota was against the yellow stickers (45mpg threshold) - only Honda Civic/Insight and Prius qualified. It is just business. Not about right or wrong.
  5. inventor00
    It was originally capped at 75,000 but they added another 10,000 (so 85,000).
    We will miss it....and yes I was quoted" I was bummed"..
  6. hill
    There's no "CA Prius Drivers May Lose HOV Access" about it. The legislation was written with a sunset clause, and just like getting old ... eventually it expires. The way the bill was written, one can truly say, "CA Prius Drivers SHALL Lose HOV Access" on the appointed day set in the regulation.

    It'll be a drag that I won't get to save some time now & then ... but hey ... do you REALLY want to drive solo in the car pool lane? You legally still can. Simply convert your Prius to straight natural gas ... or pull the ICE all together & convet the Prius to straight EV. There a a bunch of Crown Vic's running around by LAX & John Wayne Airports that run solo / deadhead in their taxis and airport shuttle vans simply because they'e on natural gas. You can STILL get the white stickers ... and THEY aren't set to expire ... at least not yet.

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  7. darelldd
    Your reasons are valid... and here's another:
    CA Prius Drivers can STILL use the HOV lane. They'll just also have to be a carpool. Surprise!

    You can still get them... but they're currently set to expire at the same time as the yellows. It would appear that white will be extended, however.
  8. Rybold
    I'm all for the 65mpg requirement because the current HOV requirement was created almost a decade ago (well, it seems like it). It's about time we update and increase the requirement to continue to drive innovation. ...But will Volkswagen/Audi's lobbyists be knocking on California's door and demanding that the non-hybrid TDI's receive an HOV sticker also?

    More appropriately though, I think the requirement needs to be stair-stepped. For 2011, the law should say "50mpg or more and you receive a sticker that is good for five years." For 2012, the law says "55mpg or more..." For 2013, "60mpg or more..." And so on.
  9. wvgasguy
    Are the lanes to save gas or reward people with hybrids? Looks like it would make more sence to have SUV's in these lanes rather than the Prius anyway. The Prius will get good FE while sitting in traffic. Need to keep the SUV's moving.
  10. dipper
    It is designed for SUV (ie Carpooling), its the owners' fault for not using the SUV with carpooling in mind. So why reward bad car purchase habit by letting SUV be on diamond lane as single driver?

    The law was intended to convince people to buy into alternative vehicles. I say it did its job really well and should expire as intended. I am all for 65+ mpg cars going forward. This will push the envelope of car makers and car sales of advance technology cars.
  11. ronhowell
    Totally agree. HOV lanes were originally created to REDUCE the number of vehicles on the freeways, not provide benefits to hybrids, EVs or NG powered vehicles carrying only ONE passenger, which does nothing to alleviate congestion.

    It makes far more sense to provide a tax benefit to the higher MPG/ less polluting vehicles by some means than allowing them be driven solo in the HOV lanes.

    High Occupancy Vehicles means exactly that ... at least 2 passengers or more. 4 people in an SUV gets better gas mileage per passenger-mile than even the latest Prius.
  12. KTPhil
    "HOV lanes were originally created to REDUCE the number of vehicles on the freeways"

    In SoCal, this is not the reason. The area fails federal clean air act standards, and has for years. This could mean the loss of federal highway dollars. The mitigation of HOV lanes was a way to do SOMEthing about the pollution, and maintain federal funding. Allowing hybrids and other low pollution vehicles in the carpool lanes was a later means to further reduce pollution by encouraging the purchase of low emission vehicles. It's all about smog, not congestion.
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  13. ranchogirl
    Is there any new news on this? My husband's Prius has 125,000 miles on it...and it's only 4 years old. We don't know if it will make it another year. I sure hope so. If the deadline will be extended, we will replace it with another one low miles. If it won't, we will replace it with something else (when it's time). Still running good now and gets a LOT of use. The stickers make a HUGE difference in his commute.

    (We have another Prius too but sans stickers)
  14. KK6PD
    Just wait until they start SELLING HOV stickers to make the state some money. It's gonna happen...
  15. DaveFDEMS
    Some metro areas are already doing that
  16. hill
    Rancho Girl, if hubby is so hard up for stickers (which absolutely positively go away in 12 months) then replace the prius with a natural gas honda ... one of the few cars cleaner than a prius. They're entitled to the white HOV stickers and those won't go away like the yellow ones do.

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    Stickers ... AND, you get to re-fill at home. Just something to think about.

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