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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by prius4owner, Mar 5, 2012.
Chevrolet Volt Named European Car of the Year.
It is in the news today.
You're a pee'in dolts .....
They've never been the brightest bulbs in the chandelier ....
I wonder if any of our tax dollars were used to provide the necessary bribes?
Did that include any flames with the award? :lol:
yeah...I think this news supersedes that news:
Chevrolet stops Volt production for 5 weeks due to slow sales
This award. Global Warming. The end of the Mayan calendar. It's all starting to make sense to me now.
I guess a certain someone is going to have trouble keeping his promise to buy one of these when his term is up later this year (who am I kidding, they'll be fireselling them by then if not sooner).
Volts are nice, but spending luxury-car level cash to save money on fuel just didn't make sense to me. I also heard this morning a rumor that the U.S. tax credit might be raised to $10K for the Volt. GM/government has to do something to sell them!
A $10k tax credit sounds enticing. I went to the Volt site and did a build. Even with the tax credit the price I am getting for a decked out Five is still less out-of-pocket, and includes more technology.
I wonder if it would be better to take the cost of the tax credit and instead invest it into electric plug-in stations that other current and future plug-ins could use. In the grand scheme of things I don't see a tremendous number of Volts hitting the road any time soon, so it (plug-in infrastructure) probably wouldn't be of much benefit.
The volt is probably a very good car. I just wouldn't trust GM until the car became an important mainstream product for them. I know that's a chicken or egg concept, but they have a long way to go to rebuild their goodwill with the people.
I hear you guys in California mentioning how much they have been advertising lately. They must consider Texas to be a lost cause because I bet I haven't seen 3 commercials here in the last 3 months.
Oh how ironic. When the media doesn't reflect your opinion it is boo'ed but when it does:
they are great.
They aren't going sell many in the UK at that price...
Vauxhall Ampera | Extended-Range Electric Vehicle
That's way more than the plug in Prius is likely to be (rumour is Â£30,000...
Toyota Prius Plug-In | Toyota UK
Top Gear magazine (slightly more levelheaded than the tv programme) seem to like the Volt/Ampera and even make note that you can use a green electricity provider to get 100% zero emissions;
Ampera wins 2012 Euro car of the year - BBC Top Gear
Yeah it'll be interesting to see how many (or should that be how few) they sell over here as they (Volt, Ampera & Plug In Prius) are all massively overpriced for what they are.
The Renault Fluence EV is almost half the price with HV battery lease on top. This will make it interesting to see the comparison between them all and whether cost or range is the deciding factor.
My money is on cost. The Renault Zoe EV when it is released in Autumn is meant to be a game changer as the price will be less than the existing diesel models (after Â£5,000 grant). If that doesn't sell then people just don't want electric cars. If it does and the expensive Volt/Ampera doesn't, then we know range isn't the issue.
Interesting EV times ahead.
I'm so very happy that the Volt/Ampera won - mostly because they took the title from Volkswagen Up!, which is a very overpriced new media favorite.
Prius II also won back in its day to the dismay of many European car journalists.
It is great news if Volt/Ampera will help promote hybrids in Europe instead of going political as in US. We need to get away from this diesels in congested cities asphyxiation.
Congrats to Volt!
BTW...This thread should be moved to other sub forum.
I would gladly buy Volt if it was cheaper. The plug-in Prius had too short EV range for me. I guess I will be converting my hybrid Prius when gas prices are closer to $10.
I test drove the Volts three times - and found it quite nice. It is a bit expensive ......... and from all accounts does not get the full miles claimed on the battery unless you have ideal circumstances.
Once it needs to switch to the engine/ generator the MPG that it achieves is a bit hard to nail down.
What surprised me the most was that I could not get any dealer to give me a lease price on the car --- I often get hit with the AMT so I could not bank on the $7500.00 credit if I did a purchase.
The Volt as a car is nicer than the Prius -- but the added weight of all the nice items I'm sure results in lower miles on the battery.
Not being able to nail down the price on the Volt - I went with the Prius.
Why, Murphy's Law?