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Feasibility of Additional Batteries and Plug-in

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by csrouse33, Jun 10, 2008.

  1. csrouse33

    csrouse33 New Member

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    I am curious what percentage of Prius owners have modified their cars by adding extra batteries and plug in capability. This would ultimately be what I want and any input would be greatly appreciated.
    I have been looking at the Prius as my next new vehicle. I may even be in the market for a good used one, although here in Spokane there is not an abundance of used hybrids available.
    Thanks,
    Chuck
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Unless you are looking for an expensive hobby, wait for the plug-in model to come out.

    Tom
     
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    The percentage around here is not large, if you are interested try a Google search on plug in hybrid conversions there are several available.
     
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    I am a mechanic and I work at a shop that makes coil springs. The hobby may be time consuming but costs will be reasonable. I am looking for people who have done this sort of mod. I would probably buy a used Prius that had major mechanical problems if I could find one at the right Price.
     
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    Remember that, without modifying the program, no matter how big your battery will be, you can only drive 40mph and below. Beyond that speed, the ICE kicks in no matter what. That is why the Plug-In model that Toyota is working on allows up to 60-65mph. One of the challenges is on the heat issue of the electric motor.
    My advice, wait for Toyota's Plug-In.
     
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    miscrms Plug Envious Member

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    Its still pretty cutting edge, I believe there are only 70-80 in the world at this point.

    You can find a lot of info here:
    Prius PHEV - EAA-PHEV

    The cheapest/DIY option is about $3-4k right now, thats the cal-cars open source PriusPlus conversion. Its basically a big 240V sealed lead acid battery pack, a 240V battery charger, a big switch (contactor) to connect and disconnect the secondary pack as appropriate, and a micro controller to monitor the car's CAN bus and determine when to open and close the switch for optimal performance.

    The first commercial conversion that is somewhat affordable and has a warranty is the new Hymotion Li-ion pack at $10k:
    Hymotion :: Enabling the new generation of hybrid owners to maximize their fuel efficiency

    I'm in exactly the same boat, I bought a rebuilt salvaged Prius with the intention of eventually converting it from this guy:
    Plug In Hybrid Electric Vehicle PHEV

    Rob
     
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    miscrms Plug Envious Member

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    While 60 mph EV mode would be nice, its not as big a deal as you would think. When you maintain the oem battery SOC at a very high level the HV controller tends to use stealth and warp stealth modes a lot more often. It also tends to use more electric even when the ICE is powering, which is where the ~100mpg sort of numbers come from.

    I would agree that conversions may not be financially rewarding, but if you enjoy the technology and value the reduction in fuel consumption beyond just its retail price tag there are some pretty exciting options starting to pop up.

    Rob
     
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    You know the argument that the PHEV conversions don't make financial sense gets less every day. Gas here is the SF Bay Area now averages close to 4.60 per gallon. If you drive 15,000 miles per year and your gas mileage goes from 45-50 MPG to 90 MPG you will save about $1500 in gas cost per year - and that is at today's prices. Unless our government steps in to regulate gas prices, there really is no reason for oil companies to reduce prices. That puts the Hymotion pack at about a 6 year payback using today's prices. The Hymotion pack is expected to last for about 10 years, so you would already be ahead. Of course all of this is speculative as we really do not know where gas will go and do not have any long-term data on the Hymotion product.
     
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    Great info especially the link to the used/salvage vehicles. I would like to get a hold of a used, preferably non-functioning PSD just to look it over. The whole concept is so brilliant and yet so simple. I would like to increase the battery capacity as well but the price of lithium batteries is crazy.

    Thanks,
    Chuck