Yes, but does this survey include the therapeutic factor for those with small penis's. That probably gives it a few points no?

Why would anyone "enjoy" Consumer Reports view of the 11 worst cars?

Well, since they aren't buying it for the handling, safety, fuel economy, or visibility, they have to have SOME reason to buy it...

Off Road Abilities?

The same reason I enjoy reading reviews of bad movies (like this one)

For off road driving abilities, I bought a Polaris 4 wheeler......

Also, I noticed in the same CR 11 Best Cars, the Prius was not rated among the 11. Actually Hyundai had the top two spots.... Wonder where CR rated the Prius?

Schadenfreude.

Tom

Sorry, but I had to look. If the H3 was only 2nd worse I had to see what the worst car was.

Jeep Wrangler.

Why enjoy the list? Because I didn't buy any of those cars.

Good and bad news for me. Sure I drive a Prius, but our winter vehicle, the FJ Cruiser, is #6 on that list.

Then again, the H3 was our second choice when we acquired the FJ, so at least I didn't go that route.

Then again again, we bought the FJ because a) we wanted Toyota reliability, and b) it's off-road, snow and ice driving capabilities. Two things the CR ranking didn't take into consideration.

What list are you talking about? Because I see it listed right here.

I also have an FJ, use it primarily every Friday to run out to the hobby farm. Have had it a year and it has a whopping 16,000 km on it.

Not sure why CR was so pissy about the FJ. It's first year reliability has been way better than my Prius, and the interior plastics are light years better

The seats are way better too. I had to drive my dad down to Mayo Clinic Rochester four times last year, and he much prefered riding in the FJ over the Prius. Given the extra driving, that is why my FJ already has 10,000 miles. All the Mayo Clinic trips added almost 4,500 extra miles

The roads back today were treacherous. Lot of blowing/drifting snow not only on the sideroad but also on the highways, in addition to icy patches. The extra weight of the FJ, and the Toyo Open Country winter tires, helps it stick to the road and not be blown around by winds

One thing I don't like about 4wd pickups and suv's is that the folks driving them think they can race down icy roads. I was poking along at 60 km/h and was passed by an arrogant f*** in a Ford 350. Less than 30 km down the road, there he was in the ditch waving his arms for help.

Yeah right, just keep waving those arms, fool.

We have a mix or either drivers that drive too fast in slippery conditions and those that have white knuckles on the steering wheel driving too slow. There is a certain group of idiots that think they can go fast when it's slippery out. But 95% of the time it's people driving way to slow. I drive defensively like I was taught. I know what my truck is capable of and I don't exceed that point. Now, If I'm on back roads and nobody is around I don't mind going sideways a little bit to have fun...

I completely disagree that "95% of the time people are driving too slow"

What the hell is it with 4wd pickup and suv drivers who think they're immune from Physics? I even run dedicated Toyo Open Country G-02 Plus winter tires on my FJ in winter, and I'm getting passed by these fools

I find it amusing that during a blizzard, or some freezing rain/sleet, the vast majority of vehicles in the ditches/median around here are 4wd pickups and suv's. I personally *never* use 4wd mode on the highway, no matter how bad the conditions are. If my FJ gets "squirrelly" at 80 km/h, I slow down to 60 km/h. Period!

There are a certain number of 4wd pickup/suv drivers who will shift into 4wd because they find the vehicle "squirrelly" in 2wd. Um, excuse me, that "squirrelly" feeling is telling you to SLOW THE F*** DOWN!

Then you have that very small minority of 4wd pickup/suv driver who get very annoyed that I'm driving along at 60 km/h in a blizzard on a 4 lane divided highway.

So when they have to go through the horrible inconvenience of steering over into the right lane - I think it's also called the "passing" lane - they flip me off as they roar by. Those kind are almost always the ones I find upside down in the median 5-20 miles down the road.

Think I stop to check if they're ok? Nope. They could be on fire and I would keep driving

Only once in 5 years have I stopped, that was a guy who cut me off when he passed me in a blizzard. About 12 miles further there he was in the ditch, so I stopped. I worked him over pretty good too.

My brother-in-law used to work at an auto-body shop on Long Island. He once told me that the day after a snowstorm, it was pretty much guaranteed that the shop would be full of SUVs.

Let's take this from a logical approach.

It's really slippery out.

If you go too fast, worst case scenario: You flip your car, totaling it, possibly taking out other cars as well, causing bodily damage to you and others. Best case scenario: You get where you're going a little sooner.

If you go to slow, worst case scenario: You get where you're going a little later. Best case scenario: You get there with your car (and you) in one piece.

Hmmm, now which is the more logical approach? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Does that change the fact that those specific GM cars are on the 'worst' list? Sounds a little sensitive to me. Kind of like when I sent them email dumping on the H2 mileage and got a reply saying how many models they have that get 30 MPG or better Highway. Maybe she figured I really wanted to buy GM and was just too stupid to figure out they have vehicles other than the H2.

1. How many of those are the same vehicle either under different badges (Pontiac/Chevy) or trim levels?
2. How does that change the fact that the H2 is a big gas hog unsuited to its most common use (as a commuter vehicle) that should never have been built?

Did a Toyota also rep point out that they have many models that scored better than the Yaris?

You mean like this?