Hummm... is that a true measure of the greenest auto company??

Nah, it could not be. Honda? :blink:

Oh, wait a second... they do have the best fleet Fuel Economy average... I guess they really are the greenest. :huh:

Hi All,

Don't you just love the way these media guys slide those back_sswards "big lie" characterisations into their writing. Its a real art. Specifically the comment:

" The industry usually avoids the argument heard from the flat-earthers - i.e., "higher gas mileage standards will make our vehicles more unsafe." "

When in reality its those who oppose improving technology I.E. CAFE performance, are by definition "flat-earthers". The traditional automotive media is full of this spin crap! This guy knows what teet he is sucking off. But does he know who the actual customer is!?

Honda does not have the best fleet fuel economy by accident. Honda has always been environmentally responsible.

The Civic is named for their CVCC engine, which was a sensation when it came out, because it was so much cleaner than the engines of that time:

http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1...xt06/index.html

While all the US automakers whined about upcoming emissions standards, proclaiming that they just couldn't meet those standards, Honda worked hard and found a way to meet and exceed the standards.

Why wouldn't Honda maintain its long term philosophy, and encourage fuel economy in the form of CAFE standards?

Harry

More:

the company began establishing a low emission engine technology with the belief that “dealing with the Clean Air Act wasn’t a company issue but a duty to which the industry at large was obliged; a pledge to keep as a responsible member of society.â€

from http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1...xt08/index.html


Harry

Honda is also absent on the plantiffs on the Calif law to limit CO2.

Soichiro Honda was slow to get his company in the SUV and truck market. When the Acura MDX was being designed, the chief engineer (originially from GM) tried to tell him Americans did not care if it got worse gas milage than the BMW M5. Mr. Honda smiled and acknowledged that, then insisted the Acura would be more fuel efficient (and it was done).

You never know - Toyota might use that trick to attain their 75mpg claim for the 2008 Prius. We'll see, I'm looking forward to reading all about it in September and October.

Bravo to Honda for backing better fuel standards! Admittedly, Toyota and Honda backing higher CAFE standards is a bit of a bully move on the rest of the industry - basically asking the US government to outlaw sales of most of the fleets of the rest of the automakers. But, frankly, it's a kick in the butt those other automakers deserve. Even if it puts the entire American auto business out of business, they had it coming.

It won't - Congress will move slowly on this even with Global Warming a big issue - but I wouldn't be shocked to see CAFE move as high as 32mpg, which would decimate the legal sales of most US automakers fleets (because selling more than a few hundred of anything but their most fuel-efficient vehicles would put them below the legal CAFE limit). Ford would need to sell 100 Fusions to sell one truck.

I do wonder what will happen with the changes to EPA standards and CAFE. Since CAFE is based on EPA ratings, and the EPA methods are officially going to change in a way that reduces all numbers by 10-15%, even if CAFE stands still, big automakers besides Toyota and Honda are already up against the wall if they want to sell any trucks or SUVs.

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The changes in EPA standards only will effect the window sticker shown to the car buyer. The old EPA standard will still be used to calculate CAFE. The EPA has an interesting report about the new calculation methods on their website. The report is EPA420-D-06-002 "Fuel Economy Labeling of Motor Vehicles: Revision to Improve
Calculation of Fuel Economy Estimates". I will warn you, it is 178 pages long but if you want to know how the new standard works, this is the document.

Ugh, that's ridiculous. One set of numbers for the label, another set of numbers for the car dealers to abide by... abuse by lobbyists at its most glaring.

Bravo Honda.

Now, just give me something comparable to the Prius... and I'll bite.