More good news. I cringed when I saw diesel in the title, becuase I HATE DIESEL pickup trucks, but then I read the part about meeting Tier 2 Bin 5 emissions standards and I think, If I can stand behind it running for 30 seconds without getting a headache, maybe it is OK.

I wonder if they can solve the warm startup difficulty that prompts diesel owners to leave their engines running in parking lots all the time.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tideland Prius @ May 24 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]448835[/snapback]</div>

They'll meet those standards with ULSD fuel, but they'll still be, at best, average among fuel burning cars in terms of emissions, especially NOx. They'll get their LEV II rating so they'll be sold in 50 states, but they certainly don't excel.

You're living in the 80s! Modern, direct injection diesels need no "warm up" time, they run just like normal cars but with better gas mileage and worse emissions.

And as laughingMan said LEV II is NOT an impressive standard, not even for diesels.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoMoShocks @ May 23 2007, 11:51 PM) [snapback]448754[/snapback]</div>

Even my Tier 1 Diesel Jetta doesn't need to be left running and will start right up when the ambient temperature is below 0 F. I think diesel pickup owners run there engines because the semi drivers do and they want to be like the semi drivers. The semi drives do it to run their "hotel" loads.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jhinton @ May 24 2007, 02:38 PM) [snapback]449374[/snapback]</div>

Even the Semis are changing their practices. There are Semi stations that can service their AC and power need in these "Semi Hotels" for a few bucks. And those that cannot get to those hotels, have modified another diesel engine to power/cool/heat the cabin, so that the Semi could last a few 100k longer.

The problem is biodiesel.
Yup. The solution to the foreign oil problem IS a problem
Biodiesel is produced from, not waste cooking oil, or other wastes, or otherwise unusable grasses, but from things like palm oil, soybeans, and other oil-bearing crops.
The trouble is, they are importing these raw materials from tropical rainforest areas. They are SLASHING AND BURNING the rainforests to grow them!!

So, using biodiesel is supposed to reduce CO2, which is completely rendered moot by the destruction of rainforest.

So, how about the all-electric, solar-powered car, huh?

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Sure, I want one too. Have you seen one for sale at your local car dealers?

Hey easy on the diesels there spanky! Diesels can burn rubber. Diesels actually have power. Diesels blow big clouds of black sooty smoke. Diesels make noise. John Wayne would have driven a diesel....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Topgas @ May 24 2007, 06:07 PM) [snapback]449481[/snapback]</div>

Calm down there. Stop passing mis-Information like the Anti-Hybrid crowd. :lol:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rae Vynn @ May 24 2007, 07:03 PM) [snapback]449421[/snapback]</div>

Most biodiesel produced in the US is made from domestically grown soybeans and is not destroying rainforests.
Most biodiesel produced in the EU is made from domestically grown canola or rapeseed and is not destroying rainforests.
Brazil is destroying rainforests at an astonishing rate but to grow soybeans and create pasture to raise cattle. They are the number one exporter of beef in the world now. BTW, Brazil does not allow diesel passenger cars and has almost no biodiesel production.

80% of the grain produced in the world is used to feed livestock to raise meat. If you want to know what is really destroying the rainforest look on your plate.