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Honeybee deaths - Corn Insecticide Poss Link

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by wjtracy, Mar 17, 2012.

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  1. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

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    Here's another downside for biofuels sustainability.
    How about let's go organic requirement on plants grown for fuels?


    Honeybee Deaths Linked to Corn Insecticides - Yahoo! News



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    that would be great news if that's the connection. first the biotech altered corn and now this. what next?
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    The irony is the gmo portion of corn is not the problem, its the traditional insecticides applied. If true, this has become more of a problem because of the "green" distortion of farming caused by ethanol mandates leading to more and more acreage planted with these insecticide laced corn seeds.
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    One of my bee keeping friends says that the latest word on colony collapse is that it comes from fungus. That's not new, but this fungus is. Apparently this particular fungus does not grow on conventional medium, so it was not easily isolated in the lab. The good news is that it is relatively easy to kill in the hive.

    Tom
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    Hope this figure this all out because I really like honey.
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    It's not just your honey at stake. ;)

    Bees are responsible for the pollination of many, many food crops around the world.
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    My last honeybee photo...this was 2002 in Louisiana.
    Northeast have not seen any for years. Used to have millions.
    Also one of my first ultra-zoom digital photos (not the best focus but OK shot).

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    It's events like this that put a premium on some small group of scientists. 10000 politicians and 10000 corporate spokesmen will never solve the problem whereas the lone few actually trying to find the answer might.
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    so, is it insecticide or fungus? btw, we have honeybees in our yard.
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    Wiki does not resolve, but here is quote:



    ...so we lost the "feral" or wild ones already for the most part since 1972.
    But in 2006 the bee keepers started having serious problems even keeping hives going.
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    We saw a bee on Sunday, feeding on some crocuses outside a nearby florist.
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    Vanishing of the Bees...if you get NETFLIX you can instantly watch the 2011 "documentary" ...just watched...makes a quite strong argument about systemic pesticides. Worth a look. Basically the beekeeper's claim is that EPA approves these pesticides but fails to properly consider residual or longer term effects or next generation or combination effects of trace non-lethal levels in bees (I must assume human impact is well-studied). It is quite a difficult lab problem to try to prove the trace level effects in bees. They say the seed coating started here around 2003.

    Its just a problem for bee-keepers who serve treated farms, unless you accept their inference that other species (frogs, Monarch butterflies, bats etc) may be having similar hidden problems.
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    It is still being debated. I suspect there is more than one cause. In combination they are putting a lot of stress on the bees.

    Tom
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    True QBee...the low levels of pesticides thought to increase other disease vectors.
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    How are native bee populations doing? Not the feral, which are just the introduced European honeybee, which was pushing the natives out.
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    We have a lot of natives here, but they own casinos, not hives.

    Tom
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    Since the stories of hive collapse broke a few years ago, I've noticed a huge increase in urban beekeepers. People are making an effort, and I hope it's making a positive difference.

    Is keeping mason bees in your yard a good idea?
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    Unfortunately, the majority of current GMO efforts are either at making plants more tolerant of pesticides, or including the pesticides in the plants. Neither bodes well for the bees.
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    Not well, they have been effected too. Mites, fungus, and insecticides are taking their toll. The invasive honeybee species did hurt populations, but this negative factor appears to be declining:D



    This does not appear to be the case with honey bees, at least according to the articles. There was one gmo variety that biologists thought might harm bee populations and it was pulled from the market.
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