How would you move a Prius without power

As I recall from "lurking" on this forum for some years, someone suggested pulling the parking pawl motor fuse. Thus, you could start the car outside the exhibit hall, put it in drive while holding the brake (or have the parking brake applied), pull the parking motor fuse under the hood in the box on the driver's side of the car, shut off the car and PUSH! Your pushing may slowly rotate the electric motors but should cause no harm.

The ICE is connected to the power split device, but is not "solidly" connected to the wheels. Therefore, the ICE should not neccessarily rotate when pushing.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Nov 1 2007, 10:36 PM) [snapback]533680[/snapback]</div>

This is the key. To the OP, if you press the Power button twice (without pushing the brake), you will put the car in "Ignition On" mode, just like turning the key to the first notch in a traditional car, without turning the key to "Start". This will NOT start the engine, but will power up all other systems including the ability to shift into N. In fact, Park and Neutral are the only settings you can put the "transmission" into while in this mode.

 

Well I didn't know that, thankyou, I'll go try it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sarge @ Nov 1 2007, 06:59 PM) [snapback]533689[/snapback]</div>

Just to nit-pick, most cars have two notches (corresponding to the Prius' "accessory" and "ignition on" modes), with a third momentary-on notch for engaging the starter.

One of the North American domestic brands used to have the "accessory" location be one notch "back" on the key, with "ignition on" being the first notch forward (and "start" being past that). Maybe that's what you are talking about. (I want to say Ford, but it's been a very long time...)

Most current cars use an "off -> acc -> ign-on -> start" progression -- at least most of the ones I've dealt with lately.

 

Yep, the turn the key backward for accessories is an older setup. My 1968 Toyota Crown has it as would most cars that had the ignition switch in the dashboard before it moved to the steering column and controlled a steering lock. Even after that I recall the early Holden Commodores (GM) had the same backward for accessories switch.
Most cars with accessories position before on position will unlock the steering in the accessories position but not sure they unlock the gear shift in accessories position if they lock the gear shift. Cars with a gearshift lock normally have a manual override for this lock. Yes this is kind of off topic.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(AussieOwner @ Nov 2 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]533773[/snapback]</div>

Couldn't you just insert your keyless entry box into the slot for emergency power?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Nov 1 2007, 09:48 PM) [snapback]533684[/snapback]</div>

Somehow I think this belongs in the "Most Obscure Factoid" thread...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sarge @ Nov 1 2007, 10:59 PM) [snapback]533689[/snapback]</div>

and then you can push the car?

 

As detailed, getting to engine-stays-off neutral is easy. What's
much more interesting is getting there if you have no 12V, and/or
leaving it still free to roll after losing or removing all 12V power.
A partial answer is in the training slides:

which a> prevents the pawl actuator from firing it back into place
locked, and b> causes the rest of the car to become really unhappy
about losing that functionality, but that's easy to reset later.
However, one might want to leave things in that state for a show-
floor environment where someone *else* might need to move the car
and doesn't know all the ACC/IG-ON/READY subtlety -- you can just
tell them to unset the parking brake, push as needed, and then
reapply the parking brake to hold.
.
_H*

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tkil @ Nov 2 2007, 01:38 AM) [snapback]533750[/snapback]</div>

I hadn't checked back on this thread for some time...

tkil, your clarification is exactly correct, and that was my thought process. As others have already posted, my implication was to turn the key to the "ON" position, which is sometimes the first notch, sometimes the second notch, depending on how the ignition is designed on that particular car. I should have been more specific...

 

This brings up the quetion of what you can do if the elictrical system fails. After an accident the shop missed something and my wifes died leaving the parking lot NO POWER at all it was stoped and there was NO moving it. There has to be a way to get to neutral with out powering up, I would think.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tkil @ Nov 2 2007, 01:38 AM) [snapback]533750[/snapback]</div>

My parents 1975 GM Olds Delta 88 was like this.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(wileec @ Nov 12 2007, 01:01 PM) [snapback]538548[/snapback]</div>

Not that I know of. If the 12V battery is dead or disconnected, you cannot engage "neutral". You have to put the front wheels on dollies to move the car. Or you have to do a mechanical modification, such as messing with the park pawl actuator. Or you have to connect an external 12V battery to the "jump terminal". Which is what I'd do - it's simple and quick.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David Beale @ Nov 13 2007, 12:23 PM) [snapback]538936[/snapback]</div>

so if your stuck in the middle of a road, no power, cars screaming by from all directions (hypothetical) you have to wait for a tow truck that can put the front wheels on a dolley????? what if the cops come to assist by pushing you out of the way?

 

Sorry to revive this thread again folks!!

I have a 2007 UK spec Prius that I bought flood damaged. It hasn't been repaired as yet but I need to get the pawl off so I can move the car around the yard by pushing/towing it.

The car can get power by connecting the 12v battery. When it's connected the alarm comes on immediately and car seems to be immobilised. Pressing the power button once with the key in turns the light green and a few normal warning lights come in the display - parking brake on, ABS light etc. When pressed again the light turns red but everything else lights up - odometer, trip clock etc. The 4x gear selection mode lights in the cluster all illuminate but are flashing. When I move the gear lever it has no effect and the car will not come out of park no matter what I do.

On another prius forum it says to remove a 30amp fuse labelled "PCON" which is located 2nd one down under the long white plastic box with transparent lid in the fuse/relay box under the bonnet - but mine has a 25amp fuse here labelled ABS-1 (perhaps this is because mine is a UK car??) Anyway, removing this makes no difference. I have also tried removing the 30amp relay labelled PCON and all other fuses labelled PCON but no difference - the front wheels remain locked to the ground.

All I want to do is disable the pawl so I can shift the car around - please help!!!

 

Removing PCON only stops the car from moving the pawl, so you can shut the car down while leaving it in neutral. The pawl needs power to move in either direction.

If the pawl's engaged, and the system is refusing to let you shift into N, you'll need to mechanically disengage it. I seem to recall that there's a procedure for this in the technical handbook, but I no longer have a copy to hand. Maybe someone with a copy can have a look? It may be worth you paying for your own subscription - it sounds like you might need it...