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June 2014 - Hybrid Dashboard Report (four months)

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  1. bwilson4web

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    1 Toyota Prius Liftback 11277 15944 10298 10917
    2 Toyota Camry Hybrid 3874 5199 3916 4287
    3 Toyota Prius C 3291 4590 3569 3685
    4 Jetta Diesel 3286 3552 4355 4052
    5 Ford Fusion Hybrid 3016 4641 3537 3903
    6 Toyota Prius V 2510 3567 2403 2528
    7 Nissan Leaf 2347 3117 2088 2507
    8 Passat Diesel 2316 3172 3923 4549
    9 Ford C-Max Hybrid 1952 2051 1586 1685
    10 Fusion Energi 1939 1342 743 899
    11 Chevrolet Volt 1777 1684 1548 1478
    12 Toyota Prius Plug In 1571 2692 1741 1452
    13 Sonata 1523 2094 2055 2430
    14 Lexus CT200h 1521 1762 1054 1480
    15 Avalon Hybrid 1437 1957 1522 1600
    16 Tesla Model S* 1400 1400 1400 1300
    17 Accord Hybrid 1135 1530 1442 1346
    18 ES Hybrid 1102 1408 1242 1384
    19 5-Series Diesel 1058 389 294 281
    20 Kia Optima Hybrid 1006 735 1060 1879
    21 Ford C-Max Energi 988 782 525 610
    22 3-Series Diesel 972 1189 929 777
    23 RX 400 / 450 h 872 837 387 852
    24 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 788 1003
    25 MKZ 787 1128 1047 1411
    26 Q5 Diesel 627 629 532 519
    27 Lacrosse Hybrid 610 772 716 536
    28 BMW X5 Diesel 539 712 724 735
    29 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel 468 511 491 644
    30 Q7 Diesel 450 408 410 411
    31 Honda Civic Hybrid 410 415 450 338
    32 A6 Diesel 398 373 303 249
    33 i3 358 336
    34 ML Class Diesel 357 434 438 457
    35 GLK Class Diesel 340 356 369 411
    36 Honda Insight 333 493 441 410
    37 Honda CR-Z 302 389 369 354
    38 Highlander Hybrid 280 355 418 333
    39 forTwo EV 278 206 203 186
    40 Touareg Diesel 277 304 319 285
    41 GL-Class Diesel 276 447 434 396
    42 Q50 Hybrid 242 294 263 380
    43 Golf Diesel 237 271 479 515
    44 E-Class Diesel 236 247 264 251
    45 X3 Diesel 221 174
    46 Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid 206 209 149 276
    47 Ford Focus EV 197 177 116 177
    48 Pathfinder Hybrid* 191 238 183 237
    49 Cayenne Diesel 184 270 475 562
    50 Beetle Diesel 167 159 184 212
    51 500E 166 167 152 166
    52 Grand Cherokee Diesel 151 181
    53 Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid 111 53 63 56
    54 QX60 Hybrid* 108 137 114 167
    55 A8 Diesel 105 78 52 64
    56 ELR 97 52 61 81
    57 Honda Civic 94 78 115 62
    58 Toyota RAV4 EV 91 149 69 73
    59 A7 Diesel 89 99 90 72
    60 Spark 85 182 97 108
    61 Regal Hybrid 75 64 41 95
    62 Cayenne Hybrid 72 75 84 96
    63 Impala Hybrid 63 58 34 49
    64 Malibu Hybrid 62 94 130 191
    65 ILX Hybrid 44 63 49 46
    66 Fit EV 38 33 50 37
    67 Accord Plug In 28 46 37 18
    68 i 22 35 12 24
    69 Audi Q5 Hybrid 19 25 21 35
    70 ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih) 18 12 6 12
    71 Lexus GS 450h 15 9 35 25
    72 E400H 13 16 39 9
    73 ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih) 13 13 13 27
    74 M Hybrid 11 12 11 19
    75 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 10 10 5 20
    76 Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid 8 4
    77 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid 8 2 2 1
    78 7-Series ActiveHybrid 6 5 6 4
    79 Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid 6 3 3 1
    80 S-Class Diesel 5 12 27 20
    81 LS 600h 5 5 9 7
    82 GMC Yukon Hybrid 3 2 7 5
    83 ML450H 0 7
    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard - HybridCars.com (well worth reading!)
    • Lower gas prices are impacting sales
    • Jetta TDI did 'less bad'
    • Passat TDI did 'more bad' (note: sticker MPG is ~15-20% too low)
    Charts to follow:
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    OK in August I will tell you % of first-half 2014 plug-ins were sold in California. It was well over 50% for the first quarter.

    From the Diesel Technology Forum article:
    2.8 million hybrids (+Plug ins?) registered as of 12/31/2013
    >>>So that's about 1.1% of Light Duty Vehicles actually on the road (not to be confused with ~3-4% of sales)
    Not a huge dent
     
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    With the average age of a car around 11 years, and hybrids not selling well until 2006 (less than 8 years ago) there is going to be a big lag between sales and gasoline consumption.

    Unfortunately the hybrid market is down in the first half of 2014 by 9.7% yoy compared to 2013. Plug-ins slowed their torrid growth rate falling to a still great 33%.
    June EV Sales For US Near New High As Ford, Tesla And Nissan Stay Strong

    When I add plug-in to hybrid sales they are still down 4%. The mover is the elephant in the room the prius liftback the hybrid -17.9%, the phv +121% combining to -10.7%. The liftback is now not going to get gen IV for 18 months, and the phv until the end of 2016. This spells trouble for growth in the hybrid sector. the phv has moved from #4 to #2, but telsa should bypass it next year with the X, and leaf and volt will get gen IIs before the phv is updated.

    Other weak spots, the c-max after dropping its mpg is down 46.7%. I don't think this one is coming back, but its hybrid + energi sales may be about done bleeding over the ford mileage lies. Prius v is down 22%, not sure why this one has dropped so much.
     
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    diesels don't look good, does anyone have the gasser sales to compare to?
     
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    It's in the report. Diesel cars are up 25% yoy for the first 6 months of 2014 versus 2013. This is less than expected. Take rate is 0.93% versus 0.77% last year. This doesn't include diesel heavy duty trucks which sell better than cars. 25% of full size trucks are heavy duty and 2/3 of these are diesel. That makes 18% of full size trucks diesel. If diesels were offered on the lighter duty f150s, siverados, and tundru trucks we would see a push up in market share.
     
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    So today I saw $3.25/gal and the next station was $3.37. I can remember when gas had to be $3/gal for automag writers to claim a Prius would make sense.

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    inflation. have you been to the supermarket lately?:cool:
     
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    The two earlier charts were confusing but I noticed it stemmed from three diesel entries. So I took out the Jetta, Passat, and 5-Series Diesel:
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    Now it makes sense, the four month trend in hybrids and plug-ins has been flat. The Ford Energi did well but this could have been increased production meeting demand.

    I took out three diesels so the hybrids and plug-in trends would make sense but they have their own dynamic:
    • Jetta TDI - suffered less loss than the rest of the efficient market. Popular? Sales initiative? Other?
    • Passat TDI - took a big hit. We know a new model has been announced but is it on the lots? If on the lots, this would be bad news. But if just the effect of announcing a new model, we've seen that pattern before.
    • 5-Series Diesel - welcome to the party, it looks like 'the boat arrived.'
    Perhaps some of our diesel advocates have more information?

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    VW is running a $1000 cash card with purchase of a turbo. The new, more efficient gasoline engine is a turbo too. I didn't find a break out of gas to diesel model sales to compare and see if that an the newness of the gas engine pulled away diesel sales.
     
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    I'm not sure what you are trying to show. These numbers have lots of seasonality ;-) I didn't feel like grabbing older data, and just included the top two vehicles (t he prius is so dominant). Easy to do without plug-ins, but I included the wagon and plug-in version of the prius (blue), and fusion hybrid and energi (orange). I feel the prius c (aqua) really is a different car. the next items are camry, prius c, jetta diesel in that order.
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    I'm not sure why labels don't show up. This chart shows sales january through june in each year. Yellow is hybrids+ plug-ins
     
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    My interest is in looking at early trends, the last four months, while removing as much of the noise as possible. These standout:
    • Volt sales oscillation - it looked manic - depressive. But looking at the last four months, the sales trend was obvious. In contrast the Plug-in Prius were steady and rising.
    • September 2013 collapse - yet there was nothing in the news describing what was going on other than shutting down the Federal Government for two weeks. Even now, we're 9 months afterwards and this last month's dip still has be scratching my head.
    • New car bump - typically 2-3 months, the initial sales release sees a boost that soon settles. Without the four months, it is difficult to tell when a new model settles to the steady-state sales rate.
    • Sales campaigns - the brilliant VW "fuel card" was evident in their sales up-tick.
    • Quantitative analysis - some were fond of comparing all diesels, pickups and delivery van, sales numbers against the hybrids and claiming 'no body wants them.' But we knew, thanks to Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Dashboard data that it was a 'stretching' reality.
    People are funny in that some of us 'see numbers' and others need a visual aid. But the four month provides a balance between annual sales versus monthly noise.

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    I seem to have trouble cutting and pasting charts as the legend got cut off. Blue is leaf, orange prius phv, yellow volt, green model S, brown fusion energi. The volt seems quite steady relative to the gyrations of the other cars but it is down yoy while it's competitors are up. Further reading is required....

    Editorial: The Chevrolet Volt's U.S. Sales Decline - GOOD CAR BAD CAR

    I'm not sure how to do charts for your other items


    I don't see the general colapse. If we look at the hybrid + plug-in market, and remove the prius (liftback+v+phv) we don't even have a dip, just slight growth. Perhaps like the volt the prius liftback may be showing symptoms of old age. I'll leave it to you to think of reasons.

    Its hard to really look at the effects of promotions like the fuel card without looking at other promotions at the same time. I'm sure in the short term that fuel card, really a rebate, works, but these rarely work in the long term.
    visual aids are wonderful, but I just didn't get much from your chart. Now I at least understand what it should be trying to say.
     

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    Sorry, I ran into a performance problem last night and an edit was lost. So I went to bed thinking it would better this morning:
    * * * Reconstruction of edit * * *
    My interest is in looking at early trends, the last four months, while removing as much of the noise as possible. These standout:

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    Volt sales oscillation - it looked manic - depressive. But looking over the last four months, the sales trend was obvious. In contrast the Plug-in Prius were steady and rising but not high enough to meet the 1,000 car, lower threshold. This was also when I started combining the hatchback sales with the top selling models:
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    The liftback sales were also a good indication of overall fuel-efficient vehicle sales.


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    September 2013 collapse - yet there was nothing in the news describing what was going on other than shutting down the Federal Government for two weeks. Even now, we're 9 months afterwards and this last month's dip still has be scratching my head. For this we need to look at the summary for all the data:
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    At first, I thought we might have gotten back to levels nearly 14 months earlier. Then two months of additional data:
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    Here I've edited the chart to put the Liftback on the left y-axis and the rest on the right. But the June sales suggest there is another independent factor impacting sales. We're still at least in the early 2013 data, a good thing but with one twist. Notice the 'density' of the top selling models in the most recent data. To me this suggests a base, a foundation of efficient car owners is growing across multiple models. This is a good thing.

    New car bump - typically 2-3 months, the initial sales release sees a boost that soon settles. Without the four months, it is difficult to tell when a new model settles to the steady-state sales rate. This one is harder to show in the data but does show up in the 'legend' ranking. The Honda Accord was in the middle but has now fallen to the lower part of the list. I will have to think about how to graphically show this pattern.

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    Sales campaigns - the brilliant VW "fuel card" was evident in their sales up-tick.

    Quantitative analysis - some (aka., Ward's Autoline Daily) were fond of comparing all diesels, pickups and delivery van, sales numbers along with the Jetta and Passat against the hybrids and claiming 'no body wants them (hybrids).' But we knew, thanks to Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Dashboard data that his numbers were 'stretching' reality. When I posted the Jetta and Passat numbers, they fessed up to including diesel pickups and delivery vehicles. They also helped me understand how many Prius pioneers have moved on to the plug-ins: Leaf, Prius Plug-In, Tesla, and Volt. Many still visit but their focus, rightfully, is on their current ride.

    * * * completed earlier edit * * *

    Looking at the last four months is not the only way to ferret out patterns in the data but it is the way my mind works. I noticed a lot of folks like Jeff Cobb compare the current month data to a year ago and last month. I find this is too 'noisey' and leads to pattern claims that disappear within a couple of months. Still, I'm OK with alternate approaches. A craps player, I'm always amused at how our species can 'see patterns in random data' when the true pattern is 'the house wins in the end.'

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Jeeez o Pete !!
    Look at the Nissan Leaf compared to the Volt - lately they've REALLY grown apart sales wise.

    price?
     
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    volt has the perfect incline.
     
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    model Jun 2014 Jun 2013 Cal Yr. 2014 Cal Yr. 2013
    1 Prius Sedan 11277 14066 63037 76809
    2 Prius V 2510 2987 14481 18616
    3 Prius C 3291 3442 20283 20575
    4 Prius Phv 1571 584 9300 4214
    Source: Toyota June Sales Report

    It pretty well tells its own tale.

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    and it's a sad story. i hope the sales are going to other efficient vehicles.
     
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    How did Tesa have 3 months with the exact number of cars sold? Can they only sell/build 1,400 cars a month?
     
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    The numbers for Tesla are the guess of each website.
    Tesla reports total sales each quarter. However, I believe they are total sales, not US only, so there is another level of guessing.

    Tesla is production limited as well, so their overall production is very consistent. Their US sales vary as they ship cars to new markets. Last I heard they are producing about 600/week.
     
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    There will be two more months, July and August, of sad news. But come September, we'll see the big up-tick . . . baring something impacting our economy.

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