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MPG challenge at hybrid fest--PHEV bracket?

Discussion in 'Prius PHEV Plug-In Modifications' started by linuxpenguin, Jun 29, 2010.

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  1. linuxpenguin

    linuxpenguin Active Member

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    Hi Guys,

    I meant to start this thread sooner but I sort of forgot. Rumor has it that there is some discussion as to how to handle the upcoming hybrid-fest MPG challenge for PHEVs. Obviously PHEV systems come in all shapes and sizes these days and have varying degrees of power (and price of course).

    The idea is that this thread can become a sounding board for how people want the MPG challenge PHEV section to operate (that is, if it's not too late to make a few last minute tweaks to the lineup). There has been some talk of making it an exhibition only without the actual competition, and there has been discussion about splitting it up into multiple categories to make things more fair.

    What are your thoughts?

    Hereafter are my own opinions:

    I would strongly recommend against making it exhibition only at this point. People want to see real-world figures for how the various systems perform and more importantly how they compare with each other on the same course. Any Prius--converted or otherwise--can get 100 MPG if you drive it right and with every PHEV system out there claiming 100+ MPG it can be a little...cumbersome...to get the truth about actual performance.

    True, it will primarily be hypermilers driving the vehicles thus the actual results may not be true to what the PHEV systems will normally yield but it's interesting to see what they are capable of.

    An exhibition would of course be sorta interesting to see, but to me it's all talk and no proof. PHEV systems are at the point where people know what they are, they just don't know what they are all actually capable of.

    Now regarding making the PHEV tournament multi-tiered I'm a little less vocal. Personally I would like to see all PHEV systems pitted directly against each other but I understand that this may not be fair to all applicants. Without insulting or grievously offending anyone (or their significant investment), is there a fair way to split the existing PHEV conversion systems into different performance categories?

    Andrew
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    I think we should just all compete together because I think there will still only be a hand full of us competing this year. If we had about 5 of each system competing I would separate into sub categories.
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    There are at least 5.
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    At least 5....PHEV owners? Categories?...penguins?...

    Andrew
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    I believe Eric was referring to there are at least 5 fingers on his hand.
    He gets this way from time to time. Just let it go.

    Seriously though, I don't know much about the PHEV systems, but are there actually five different systems on the market or available to people? Hymotion, Enginer, what else? If we can't come up with five different systems, then he much mean five different people.
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    ericbecky Hybrid Battery Hero

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    lol
    There are at least 5 PHEV entrants so far.

    They are from various companies and they have varying amounts of capacity.
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    Here are the commercial ones I'm aware of in no particular order:

    Enginer
    Plugin Conversions
    Hymotion
    Plugin Supply / Plugin Solutions
    Hybrid Interfaces (Norm's BMS+)
    Hybrids Plus (now EETREX though not sold anymore)

    So yes, more than 5 =).

    Andrew
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    So there are at least 5 so far. Thats 2 Hymotion packs. Joe Mikulecky I think is one and then myself. Andrew with your PICC. I'm guessing the other two cars are either another Hymotion or two Enginer with different size packs?

    With only a hand full of modified I say we do what we did last year and just compete together and show people what plug-ins can get driving the same route as the unmodified cars.
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    Unfortunately I was unable to attend to the 2010 "Hybridfest" but I did it to the 2010 Carlos Santana and Steve Windwood USA tour in Jones Beach, NY with VIP BOX tickets the same date.
    I arrived to the show in my PHEV !!!
    It was a memorable event.

    Well, Hybridfest ended and now should be the moment for the PHEV competitors classification explanations.
    Eric, any one?
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