Wow smug self-righteousness like that is what makes people least dislike some prius owners. You appear to be implying I am narrow mindedly knocking the prius, which is simply not true, and where in my posts have I suggested anyone who disagrees is nuts? You attack me for using the term "Pious" with a non-quoting 'quote" you attribute. But that is not what I said. And since you still don't get it I must presume that means you did not actually read the posts here since two of the posts before mine in this thread (Poll: Why are we hated? | PriusChat and Poll: Why are we hated? | Page 2 | PriusChat) refer to/cite the Southpark episode. The second post above linking to the southpark episode was by exactly the person to whom I was responding when I used the "Pious" term.. so its natural to expect they understand that smugness reference and hence I felt it reasonable to explain their behavior in those terms. You can disagree with it, but I do not need to "correct" my post.. I used the term as I believe it was intended.. a humorous term suggisting prius driver smugness. Maybe thou doth protest to much, because it hits too close to home. Then you want to pile on your "beating" so you quote me out of context and add some spin with irrelevant data supporting your misinterpretation of my position I had posted To which you reply I'll admit I did not provide data, but then again it was a side comment, not the main point of my post. But since you asked. here is my "data". I was considering a prius to replace my aging 1995 honda. My first rental of a prius I only average 39mpg.. and did not really like the car.. I was flooring it all the time to get the type of acceleration/performance I wanted and was used to, and on the highway I drove at 75+, and was not really leveraging regen. I asked a friend with a prius and he pointed me here to PC and also explained a bit about what was going on in the dash. I learned many things and on my next prius rental (as I was still considering Prius+kit or Prius PHV) we were more informed and learned to use the car's feedback and averaged 48MPG. I learned first hand that learning matters. My comment was that there is alot of good feedback in a prius that can help anyone get excellent (for an ICE) milage. A TDi can get good with just normal highway driving, but overall its not as good a s Prius. My data was my own personal experience, though its also consistent with and explains various reviews where car mags and online reviews that pan the Prius for not getting near 50.. when its really the driver, e.g. go read Comparison Test: 2012 Honda Civic Hybrid vs. 2011 Toyota Prius Five . Back in the early prius days some mags did not get good milage on the initial tests, but did in their long term.. and there are multiple threads on PCchat about how to learn to do better. My conclusion on "learning to get excellence" is not inconsistent with your data.. your data shows average performance of people that own the car reporting MPG, which probably means they learned how to be more efficient. Owning a prius can change your driving as it helps to make you more efficient, which will then be reflected in real-world long-term data. Then you return to a your view of Advocacy/Skecitism using it as an indirect assault on me Go back and read my first two posts (#1 #2) .. my first posts were not advocacy.. they were directly addressing misinformation by someone putting down the Volt as well as commenting on how that behavior might lead to "hate" (or at least distaste). That is very consistent with the thread, so get of your high horse. I only added more information about the volt when people like you started arguing and spewing misinformation that I corrected. If any hijacking was done, you hijacked the thread to attack me and the volt.. not the other way around. While the question you presented is pointless, the optimum is a function of the owner and their needs/driving habits, so it cannot be a poll or single answer. The space of possibilities is too large for a normal trade study as there are too many important dimensions with unknown values. But I think I can see what you are asking about. I could put together a generalized spreadsheet people could use with their own information. If I do, I'll post it under the Volt thread so people don't think I'm advocating in the wrong place. :focus: So back to the tread. Why am I'm even bothering with this reply? Will anyone have read it this far? Probably not. So why bother? As I tried to point out -- the smugness of some, but definately not all, prius owners is one of the reasons for resentment -- significant enough that it is core of the southpark episode on hybrids. It is also the most easily addressed as its in your control. I'm only spending time responding because your behaivor in the thread is a first class, first hand example of smugness. Maybe before you start condemning me or others, you should consider what was actually posted, you should consider more generally what I do post on PC in a broader context. Maybe it would interest you to know that I do value data and that I help with the plug-in prius MPG spreadsheet.. because I actually am interested in this stuff and want to help. So how do you reduce Prius hate? Here's a start: consider how what that you say (and do) will be interpreted by others, and listen to what other actually say, not what you expect.