I really don't like the term "steep", as it implies absolutely nothing about the climb. I live in a valley and climb out of it on every commute, along with other drives getting out of the valley. One road I'd say was "steep", but the others significant to nearly steep hill. PA 487 near Ricketts Glen park... that is a STEEP hill (18% grade!). So when people are saying "steep" what are they referring to?