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    This is another one of what the hell where they thinking????
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    Wal-Mart Hits Teens with Gay Porn How-To Manual

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    Wal-Mart Drops Gay Sex How-To Manual for Teens after LifeSiteNews.com Expose
    http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06111703.html

    By Gudrun Schultz

    BENTONVILLE, AR, November 15, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A graphic sex-ed manual promoting lesbianism to teenage girls is now offered for sale by Wal-Mart in the United States. Called "irresponsible and obscene" and by the Institute for Canadian Values,

    the material contains explicit directions for engaging in oral/anal sexual acts. The book encourages same-sex experimentation, the book is telling girls that only 10 percent of the population is actually heterosexual, while 80 percent is "mixed" or bi-sexual.

    The manual was further condemned for using obscene and derogatory language. Examples include a section entitled "My First Time F***ing a Girl" and the statement "If you need someone to represent God The Holiness, then for me, it's a fat black dyke."

    For more please see:
    http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/nov/06111507.html

    Walmart pulled the book from thier website:
    http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53011

    Or another product problem:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuyHLE5xrAc
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    And yet they still sell Michael Crichton's State of Fear. Is there no justice?
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    But I thought conservative Christian nutballs didn't want lesbians to get pregnant?
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(richard schumacher @ Dec 24 2006, 01:18 PM) [snapback]366321[/snapback]</div>
    I think you will find more than just conservative Christian nutballs would be appalled at the idea of this book being availible to children under the age of 18... :rolleyes:
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    Any parent that cares about this should be watching very closely what their children read. I suspect this book is easily identifiable based on its cover content, the blurb on the back, etc. Overt and open sources are not really a problem, because parents can easily monitor it. Of more concern would be books that look like teen romances on the cover, but contain material the parent may not believe his child is ready for, so caution is always needed.

    In a free society, more responsibility is required of parents. That's one of the costs of freedom, and as paying for freedom goes, its a pretty small cost.

    Wal-Mart bashing is popular now, so I'm not surprised to see conservatives join liberals in the slug fest. So far as I know, the friendly old guy greeter at Wal-Mart hasn't armed himself and isn't forcing people into the store, marching them at gunpoint to the book counter and making them buy books on lesbianism.

    But the controversy these groups will generate will be good for some fundraising.
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    Does anyone have a slightly more objective source than the two listed? While it certainly sounds like WM screwed up by putting this on shelves, but it's completely outside the very Christian conservative style they usually have...to the point of forcing music distributors to censor lyrics on the CD's they sell.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Dec 24 2006, 11:28 AM) [snapback]366341[/snapback]</div>
    This is how Amazon describes the book:

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(catsbox @ Dec 24 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]366387[/snapback]</div>
    It is hard to decide for myself by reading only excerpts which were hand picked by homophobes for the specific purpose of promoting and advancing the cause of banning the book. I need to read those in the context of the book as a whole before I can form an informed opinion.
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    The first few excerpted pages (I didn't bother looking at all of them) look pretty innocuous to me. The real problem is that kids need to learn about sexuality, but some religious extremists want to keep them in the dark. The original post in this thread had me wondering why a place like Walmart would ever sell such a book. But now I see it's just a straightforward, well-informed book about sexuality that a few nut-cases have forced the store to quit selling.

    Meanwhile, they don't seem to mind their kids seeing tens or hundreds of killings on TV every day.
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    There's not really anything to 'decide for myself' here. The content of the book, persay, is not really my concern. I read the first 5 or 6 exerpts and would be shocked if someone at Wal-mart specifically approved the book. More than likely it was part of a 'package' of books sold to them.

    Like I said, this is very UN-Wal-mart with their rather strict Christian Conservative bent.

    Regarding the book itself, I think it sounds like a fantastic option for many teens. I think sales in a book store are better suited, but these are real issues that teens deal with. I see the kids every day...pretending they don't exist won't make them go away.
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    "Hi son, what's wrong?"

    "Well Dad, it's the girls at school. They just don't seem interested in me."

    "Tell you what, son. You're such a great dresser and you have such excellent dancing and interior designing skills, why don't you look at this book from Wal-Mart I just finished reading. I think you'll find it just as interesting and enlightening as I did."

    "Wow! Thanks Dad."

    "By the way, your mother and I are getting a divorce; you can reach me at Steven's."
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    I'm surprised it got published at all. It's clearly marketing to a teen audience, and seems like it falls under the delinquency of a minor category to me. IAR - couldn't the publisher get sued for this?
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dragonfly @ Dec 25 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]366550[/snapback]</div>
    You have no way of proving "to whom it's marketed", if it's sold in places to which all people have access. And, of course, if the material's not "pornographic" (and little or nothing is anymore, until its presence on a shelf for sale is successfully challenged in court, most likely on the basis that it "violates community standards", which in turn...)
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    You need to click on the link in catsbox's post (quoted below) and then click on the "examples." But there is no porn. It's teen-age girls giving advice to other teen-age girls. Only the rabidly homophobic would be offended, and would consider it porn, since the examples are questions from, and answer to, girls who find themselves attracted to other girls, when everyone around them is telling them they should be attracted to boys.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(catsbox @ Dec 24 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]366387[/snapback]</div>
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    I read all the excerpts, and I'm "underwhelmed"! This is much ado about nothing.

    I didn't see any porn there, and its written in the first person, so anyone reading it will know its a person's opinion in each of the sections. I would be interested in seeing any of the technical information in the book to see if they include the usual warnings (not that they matter: kids ignore the warnings anyway, but we should still tell them.)

    Parents, if they want to restrict their kid's reading materials, can still do so. Wal-Mart selling this book is not a scandal. Now, if the school made it mandatory reading, I would see how an objection should be made. But otherwise I think this is just one of those "Let's shake them up and see if we get more members/contributors in our group" types of things.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jack Kelly @ Dec, 05:55 PM) [snapback]366585[/snapback]</div>
    I'm not referring to where it's marketed, but rather to the target audience.

    The cover says:
    "by youth for youth"

    What does "youth" mean?
    At the Amazon link, the editorial review says, among other things, "not just a book about sex, but a look at girl culture by teenagers" and "Girls shouldn't leave their teen years without it."

    Clearly, marketed to teens.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Dec, 08:28 PM) [snapback]366606[/snapback]</div>
    Well I'm offended, not because of the homosexuality but because it is marketed to teens. If a book this graphic about heterosexuality were marketed to teens I'd be equally offended.

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