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MPG Inaccuracy - problem or not?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by chuckknight, Nov 20, 2009.

  1. chuckknight

    chuckknight New Member

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    I've filled my tank 3 times since getting my car. The first time, the MFD read 44mpg. The second time it read 46mpg, and third time it read 48mpg. (rounded)

    The first value, I took as gospel. (And, then I read PriusChat)

    Just for the fun of it, on trip 2 I calculated my mpg...53mpg. Displayed mpg was 46mpg.

    On trip 3, I calculated my mpg...56mpg, vs 48mpg displayed.

    (Assuming a total tank capacity of 12 gallons, displaying half full, and a distance traveled of 356 miles, that implies mileage of 59.3mpg, so it seems that I'm in the right neighborhood with my most recent calculations...and I shoved in as much gas as it would take. If you use the value when it shut off automatically, it was closer to 65mpg! LOVING my Prius!!!)

    These numbers represent a variation of appx 18%, between the displayed and the calculated figures.

    I've seen posts mentioning the displayed value being a few percent off, and accept this as being a result of a number of factors including the tank bladder...but almost 20%?! Come on! For the third trip, I let it go to half full...356 miles, so I could ensure that I had a decent sample size. I try not to let my tank get below half in any car.

    Does this variation between the MFD and "reality" indicate a problem?

    Chuck
     
  2. JimboPalmer

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    Are you resetting both Trip A and the Consumption screen?
    If not, you may be seeing a cumulative MPG and a reset Mileage.
     
  3. chuckknight

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    All three, actually...A, B, and the screen.

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    Just go by the MFD display. It is accurate enough. Unless you plan on breaking out the calculator every time or using an Excel spreadsheet you'll never get the numbers right. People on PC have been tracking the numbers long enough to show that the MFD is not far off so that is good enough for me. :)

    Ohh, and don't assume your tank will hold 12gallons. It rarely if ever does. :)
     
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    I suppose I make the assumption that the gas gauge is remotely accurate (I know about the guess gauge, but 1/2 full should be somewhere near half full) and I filled up after 356 miles. Assuming 6 gallons down, that gives me near 60mpg. And, 6 gallons is *just* shy of what I put in the tank.

    My MFD reported figure is 48mpg...calculated was 56mpg.

    That's a BIG difference. And, looking back, it's a fairly consistent percentage of error.

    I'll continue tracking it over the next few fill ups. If the % error stays constant, I'll probably ask the dealership about it.

    I'm one of those people who has been calculating and tracking my mpg since the day I got my drivers' license. Heck, my dream car in high school was a Honda CRX, ~45mpg mixed driving.

    I like my information to be reliable, so I prefer my gauges to be something resembling accurate.

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    No you shouldn't assume the gas gauge is accurate like that. If I did that I'd be calculating 70 MGP for the first half of the tank and 35 MPG for the second.

    Ideally you should record the total distance travelled over about three or more tanks and divide it by the total amount of gas you've put in.
     
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    Exactly 1/2 on the guess guage does not mean dead nuts accurate half full tank. It could vary by 2 gallons in my experience.
     
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    I'm one of those who have been tracking the numbers from "Day One" ... AND ... have been doing so for each-and-every fill-up from both perspectives: MFD read-out and Hand-Calc.

    After 40 fill-ups, the MFD has been off by more than 10% on individual fill-ups on four occasions; twice HIGH ( +16.3% / +11.7% ) and twice LOW ( -10.4% / -11.7% ), but after 40 tanks, the LIFETIME variance is only 1.7%. Over the life of the car, the MFD suggests mileage of 49.3 mpg, whereas my hand calculations suggest 48.5 mpg.

    In short and as F8L noted above ... that 1.7% lifetime variance is good enough for me ....

    As an added note: in case anyone wonders why I said above that "the MFD has been off" ... well ... when IT starts paying for the gas I pump into Mithril, I'll take its word for it ....
     
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    I'll keep tracking it, and see what I find.

    Thanks for all the help, guys!

    Chuck
     
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    And for that I am grateful my friend. :)

    Mithril would be fine indeed but us tree folk would be happy with a bit of lembas bread to sustain us on our journeys.
     
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    The OP has a North American Gen II Prius, which means it has a bladder in the fuel tank. Because of this, all bets are off when it comes to manual calculations of fuel economy. Volumetric errors from fill to fill are very large, so forget about calculating mileage on a tank by tank basis. If you total up ten tanks or so, then the error starts to cancel out, and the manual calculation becomes meaningful.

    Likewise, because of the bladder you can only safely assume your car carries 10 gallons of usable fuel. On a good day you may get up to 11 gallons, but don't count on it.

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    My spreadsheet of 36 tanks shows that ~90% of the fills result in calculated mpg difference of 12% or less from the MFD. However, I had three fills that were a mess and they were sequential. In the first the calculated mpg was 18% lower, the next was 53% higher (tank would not take gas), the third was 22% lower. In short, the bladder tank/closed vent system make individual fill variances substantial and sometimes can give you completely off the wall result. But over the long term the difference between calculated and MFD now stands at 0.8% for the car.
     
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    Situation normal in my experience. If a high & a low tank are in sequence and taken together they are average then you don't have a problem. If you have a series of below average tanks then it is time to investigate.
     
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    Well, so far mine have been off in the same direction, by the same magnitude, each time.

    BUT, I've got a small sample size. Like I said, I'll keep an eye on it.

    Thanks!

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    Looks like your prediction came true. Two more fillups since my last post.

    Fillup number 3 showed 48/56mpg, again...
    Fillup number 4 showed 48/40mpg.

    Whoops! 40mpg? What did I do different?!

    What I did is that I WAY overfilled that last tank, inconsistent relative to the previous fillups, so I'm using too big a divisor, and getting an inaccurate (low) reading. Managed to shove in over an additional gallon, which makes a BIG difference in this car. :)

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    Be careful about overfilling. Two Very Bad things can happen because of it.
    1. The vapor collection canister can flood. If it happens too often it will need to be $$$$ replaced.
    2. The bladder can pressurize from the overfill...possible bad things:
    a) gasoline squirts out the nozzle all over the side of the car and/or you. Fire hazard here!
    b) The bladder can burst, requiring $$$$ replacement!
     
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    Agreed! I've had 2.a happen and the gas just continued to pour out of the filler neck for approx. 10min. It was ugly.

    I recommend never leaving the pump going without you standing there to stop the filling process in case the auto shutoff doesn't kick in.
     
  18. chuckknight

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    Bear in mind, I've only filled up the tank 5 times. I got the gurgling and *barely* spitting out of gasoline, so I know I way overfilled it. 2-a, but only just.

    In my old Ford Ranger, I knew exactly how many additional clicks to fill, past the first one. But the Prius is still new to me, so I'm still learning. And, I won't make the same mistake twice...too many other mistakes to make, instead! :)

    Chuck