My first and most likely only thread here.

*passes Evan a Bud Light*

Just reading Prius Chat, havin' a Bud.

True, true....

 

To the OP. I don't know anything about you being banned. I did notice your post the other day sharing your truck.

Seems to me you are posting and currently not banned so I don't really see what your problem is.

You say you moderate at a different forum. The only thing I would offer is what is your motivation? This is an open forum but it is a PRIUS forum. So would you expect the majority or a large amount of people that frequent this forum to be resistant to the idea of promoting large trucks?

If I came into a "Monster Truck" forum and posted pictures and posts saying things like " I know you guys aren't into it but here's my new Prius" I'd at least expect some negative feedback.

I don't think this has anything to do with anything more than just applying some realism to where you are communicating and to which audience you are communicating.

Prius Chat just might not be the best place to try to talk up a discussion on Big Trucks. And as I said, I would guess that in any other forum that would hold true in converse. I certainly wouldn't expect nor would I want to start threads and conversation in a diesel engine or truck forum about Prius and Hybrids, at least not without the expectation that I would run into a lot of people that didn't particularly like The Prius.

Also like I said, I don't know about you being banned. But all I can say from my own experience here is I know I have posted things that would of probably upset Toyota, I'm pretty sure Doug Coleman thinks I'm Satan. I see a lot of ideas, thoughts and opinions both positive and negative and I don't see a lot of censorship or people being banned.
However, the common aspect is this is a PRIUS forum and so up, down or indifferent most of the conversation revolves around Prius and Hybrid news not so much about big powerstroke diesels.

Sorry if my scepticism instinct doesn't go into gear when someone decides The Prius Chat forum is the best place to go championing big powerstroke diesel truck conversation then acts incensensed and insulted when met with what they feel is a too much negative feedback.

Sure, you have a right to love your truck. You can drive what you want and like it too. But why would you want to, or expect that Prius Chat would be an enviroment best suited to this discussion? Seems unreal to me.

 

Yup what Electric Me said.

 

Yeah, I have to admit that although rare, I had that happen a few times while driving the Prius. But never, EVER while driving the FJ, even though I generally drive my FJ a lot slower than I ever did the Prius

If I had a chance, and it was safe to do so, I always followed the person who did the road rage stunt against my Prius, then beat the shit out of them. They probably never thought of purposely cutting off another small car ever again

 

I will step up and admit that there are several problems with my Prius. I am man enough to admit it, and in fact I'll confess them here to let the world see that I'm not afraid to admit the Prius's faults.

Sometimes I have trouble deciding what to do with the money I save that I don't spend on gas.

I often forget where the gas station is since I go there so infrequently.

Worst of all, when women throw themselves at me left and right when they find out I drive a Prius it makes my girlfriend jealous.

 

Oh bunny, don't you folks like *real* beer??

 

I might go on a mouse forum and start a snake thread ...
A fly forum and start a spider thread ...
A ... , you get the idea.

 

Well, to be honest I really don't drink much beer. When I do I have to drink Miller Lite... My friends (Miller Lite girls) get rather fussy if I don't drink their beer.

 

oh ... don't pay any attention to Pat . . . I know for a fact that he's a died in-the-wool, soot-between-his-teeth - monster truckerer at heart.
If you're lucky ... maybe one of these day's he'll show you his TRUE dream car ~


Not only does it have an eco mode . . . and a power mode (besides getting 60mpg )

it even has a Napoleon Complex mode ~

:lol:

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I have the best of both worlds, a Prius and an M35A2.

 

I'm confused. Do you have beer or do you have Miller Lite?

 

Pseudo beer perhaps? lol

 

It's expected that the members here are going to be heavily biased in favor of the Prius - nothing unusual about that, and the same thing you find on every forum no matter what the central theme. Who doesn't go to a forum to find like-minded people to exchange views with?

However the mostly unacknowledged flip side, collectively (there are certainly exceptions) the participants here are every bit as intolerant of other POV's if not more than folks I've found in other forums.

When I first joined this forum I was actively looking to buy a Prius, after spending some time here, I'm not so sure anymore. The Prius is a great car, even a milestone, but it's still just a car. The South Park parody is not completely unfounded. As always, YMMV.

 

Just to counter this, I have met 50+ of the most central players here on Prius Chat, and I can tell you there is not a smug person among them, well apart from me maybe.

 

One member's views:

As a minimum, this incident should be a reminder that what is posted
here is open to the world. Often we post things that are trite,
unfounded, insensitive, course, angry, etc, thinking that they go no
farther than the "walls" of our virtual community. In reality, we live
here in a glass house. While difficult, we need to rememeber that we
throw stones at our peril and should expect that any random visitor
may be calling us to task for our trespasses on good taste,
reasonableness, objectivity, etc.

The initial post that started the recent debacle wasn't all that bad. The
poster took exception to some negative comments in a two-year old
thread and revived it. Unfortunately, it you look hard enough I'm sure
you could find something that offends you no matter what your closely
held views are somewhere in every enthusiast or specialty subject
forum on the internet.

So, things weren't that bad for a while. But if you read that first post,
you had to think, "Oh brother, here we go again!" What sent things
into an explosive conflagration was that first poster going back to his
home forum and making some inflammatory remarks there. Soon,
other posters from there were piling on.

Ugly, juvenile, incendiary, personal attacks were made by both sides.
Now, I haven't spoken to any of our MODs about this, but I think things
started to quiet down when our Mods took action using one of our long
standing and fundamental rules; if one of our members goes to
another site and riles things up there, they will be censured, and if it
comes to it banned from this site. The newcomers considered
themselves to be members at their home site and, I guess, only
visitors here. But to make posts, they had to sign up, and they were in
fact members here.

II believe that our Mods were also clamping down tightly on our own
members as well. Although ugly, impassioned things were posted by
both sides, throughout the incident, no PC members went to the other
site to retaliate or stir up trouble.

Despite using aliases, false user names, changing IPs, and using
surrogate sites, the most egregious flamers, were cut off, one by one.
It was good to see that a few of the newcomers, like the OP, were
making efforts to quite things down and open a bridge.

On a happier, more optimistic note, this is not the OPs only thread that
survived the malestrom. He has at least two others; one on member's
military service. Another is about his diesel truck which has opened a
small window into the world of the diesel tuning world for those here
who might want to get info on this motoring enthusiast specialty area.

EDIT: Likewise, there are a few Prius ambassadors on the other site
conducting a similar cultural exchange program. Life is good... again.

 

You were not smug mate. Despite the fact you hung up your country's flag as your first action when entering the meeting room.......

The really great thing about meeting everyone in person was getting over any preconceived ideas you had about a person. I really enjoyed everyone's company during that event!

Despite nobody calling me to come down to the bar and see the table dancing

 

Sorry, didn't have your number on me.

I didn't just hang up the flag mate, I claimed the territory as part of Australia, it was virtually unoccupied on my arrival so was free for the taking.

I should have put the word out to other internationals, wouldn't that wall have looked great with the US, Canadian, Japanese, Chinese, Dutch, and Australian flags on it?

 

You convinced me to go to powerstroke.org to mend fences some. I certainly did NOT give what I got, I went to mend fences. In the end I would say some listened, some wouldn't, and some couldn't. Sound familiar?

Diesels, and Otto cycle, and Atkinson cycle engine differ so that I would not expect a diesel hybrid to resemble a gas hybrid (Otto or Atkinson cycle) but that does not mean there would be no point to a diesel hybrid. Let me bounce some foolish non-diesel expert ideas off you.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atkinson_cycle]Atkinson cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

One strength of the Prius is how smoothly the engine turns on and off, I wonder if the HV battery on a Hybrid would be better suited to starting a diesel than the lower voltage currently used.

Since idleing a diesel is almost free, I am not sure one would start and stop a diesel as often as a Prius, but when you do, the Prius gets the RPMs up to speed before starting the ignition, on a diesel you could get the revs up before starting the injectors.

Regenerative braking should be just as successful on a diesel as on a gas engine, especially where Jake brakes are illegal. The Prius already uses a scheme similar to Jake brakes, called B mode.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake]Jake brake - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Diesels use turbocharging to increase air flow through an engine, one difficulty is that oil quits cooling the turbo once the engine is off, lrsding to coking of the oil. The HV Battery could help the turbo spin down with good oiling, even with the engine off, just power an electric oil pump.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke]Coke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I read up on Diesel Particulate Filters, an electric heater to burn off soot may be less wasteful than pumping in extra diesel fuel to burn off soot.
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_particulate_filter]Diesel particulate filter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The diesel excels at steady state power, but is often slow to change engine speed, the electric motors in a hybrid suffer no lag, their instant response may mask some turbo lag and some resistance to change in Engine RPM.

Independent of Hybrids, the Power split device could be optimized to allow rapid changes in road speed without rapid changes in RPMs, although it sure does work well with Hybridization.

All of these are stereotypes I hold about diesels, they may or may not be current weaknesses a large electric source could solve. I am interested in 'thinking outside the box', there is no reason to suspect the same strategies that work on a 1.5 liter gasoline engined car would work on a 6.4 liter diesel engined truck.

But as the Prius goes through it's generations, you see Toyota realizing more and more places a strong electric motor can do the job of a belt driven accessory, so the gas engine can be used less and less. I was just trying to think of places where it could help a diesel engined vehicle.

 

On the topic of future diesel power, there is a lot of research now being done on Prime Mover applications, eg +1 MW power generation. Diesels excel at steady-state loads.

A combination of per-cylinder valve control, per cylinder exhaust gas monitoring, dedicated per cylinder fuel control, can all add up to significant LCO savings. When installed in a "co-gen" or CHP (Combined Heat and Power) application, the net efficiencies approach 95%