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U.S. Light Vehicle Sales Summary - WARDS Auto

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  1. pakitt

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    To save you all from needing to click 5 or 6 times to then download a spreadsheet, etc.. Here is what the OP is referring to:

    For November, 2009 they are reporting that Toyota U.S. Sales are 133,700 (Compared to 74,003 for Honda, 62,992 for Chrysler, 121,334 for Ford, and 150,705 for GM). This places GM in second place for U.S. Sales in November.
     

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    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    I am unclear how GM is not in first place, Toyota in second, both for the month and the year so far.

    But the big winners seem to be the Koreans and Subaru.
     
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    Actually what I wanted to point out is that in the "Top 10" tab of the spreadsheet, the Prius ranks 10th, with 127k cars sold - that is pretty good considering it is relatively new, costs "a lot" (even in the US) and that it is not perceived as a "normal" car (at least as seen from the average consumer).

    And that although there is supposedly a crisis going on or about to finish, the US still buys 164k trucks (among the Top10) and cars are only 199k, or about 30k more. The amount of trucks is simply amazing - where do all these people go with their trucks??? around town? taking the kids to school or go to the mall? are there really so many people as those buying cars, in need of a truck?
    BTW: since when the CR-V, RAV4, Tacoma and Odyssey (I don't know the other models - except the F Series & RAM, those are what I consider US "trucks") are "trucks"?
    Surely they consume 2x a normal US car, a truck probably 3x.

    This is what I found really interesting.
    That Toyota and sells a lot in the US, that was a given.
     
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    One can always get US sales figures by manufacturer easily at By The Numbers — Autoblog. To give model breakouts by manufacturer, on (US) Google, just do searches for "[name of car maker] reports sales [month] [year]".
    The "light truck" classification in the US includes SUVs, minivans, trucks and some vans. Yes, the above ones you named are all considered "light trucks". There are also some other vehicles that are given the bogus/dubious classification of "light truck" even though I'd consider them to be cars such as the Chrysler PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR. You can look them at up fueleconomy.gov and see those are classified as "SUVs".

    I believe Chrysler intentionally engineered the PT Cruiser to be able to able to "pass" as a "light truck" so that they could get an artificial boost on their light truck CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) numbers. The 3 (separate) fleets for CAFE import passenger cars, domestic passenger cars and light trucks. Throwing in a 4 banger w/relatively good mileage compared to their SUV and truck lineup boosts their light truck number and helps them avoid being fined.

    Per http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/mpg/fetrends/420s09001.pdf which is the Executive Summary PDF from Light-Duty Automotive Technology, Carbon Dioxide Emissions, and Fuel Economy Trends: 1975 Through 2009 | OTAQ | US EPA, 49% of vehicles sold in the US for model year 2009 were "light trucks".

    When I lived in San Jose, CA, the amount of monstrosity class SUVs (curb weight >5000 lbs.) such as Ford Expeditions, Chevy Tahoes, Chevy Suburbans, Lincoln Navigators driven solo, esp. by "soccer moms" and/or with minimum passengers and cargo (like one small child) was INSANE. I see a little less of that in WA state.

    edit: More on the PT Cruiser, from the Google cache (http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cach...nds&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a) of an Edmunds page that's moved/gone:
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    Imported "trucks" get Customs & tax advantages over imported "cars". How many vehicles need to be sold before a manufacturer appears on the list? It would be interesting to see if Tesla outsells Navistar.
     
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