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Enginer PHEV automatic over/under voltage protection

Discussion in 'Prius PHEV Plug-In Modifications' started by Daox, Jan 6, 2010.

  1. brad_rules_man

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    Hey Eric! Brad here. I would be willing to spend the extra bucks. I'd feel more comfortable if you could try them out first and let me know how it goes. Call me if you want to discuss it further.

    It's a tempting offer not to have to babysit the cells. lol... and I haven't bought that baby-monitor yet either.
     
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    If buddy cells of 2 or 3 pieces are used, 0.75 Amp is not enough to shunt the batteries in a normal charging cycle. Now, if you are willing to expend 3 or 4 days to charge the LiFePO4...........?
    The MiniBMS is supplied in 3.6V and 3.8V specs, depending in the Batteries manufacturer to be used in.
    The DC to DC Enginer converter supplied with the "Kit", has a feature of shut-off at predetermined LOW voltage input. You can quote this important information in your "blog".
     
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  3. Daox

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    Yesterday, I purchased two celllogs. I plan on installing these with the arduino to control the disconnects via the celllog's various alarms. Should be pretty easy and will automate the whole system.
     
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    Daox,

    Just a note. These CellLogs do not have isolated USB power so be careful. Do not plug two of them up to your PC at the same time if they are monitoring a battery. Nearly burned out my Macbook Pro doing that. Lucky I caught it in time and it only burnt our my two cellLogs.

    Thanks,

    Chan
     
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    The rcgroups has been evaluating the CellLog8S the last 6 months and have loads of info and tip. I recommend reading up at the link below. Apparently the 8S can unbalance the pack if left connected since it uses cell 1-6 for power. There is a fix however. It may not matter for the Enginer kit though since we should be charging nightly anyway...but not leave connected if you're on vacation.

    CellLog is releasing! - RC Groups

    -Pb
     
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    They are using tiny capacity batteries compared to us. Their packs are normally a couple of Ah at most, where ours are 39Ah. Good to know though, and something to watch for over time.
     
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    I went ahead to mod the four I am using. The first issue with current drawing on cell 1-6 was from an e-Bike user with a 15AH battery. I don't think it will be an issue but if you mod the device then you will not be able to use the CellLog for a 1 cell system. Not modding is fine also I think.
     
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    Could you post a link to the mod? Obviously, this is the ideal setup for us.
     
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    Was meaning to post the link but could not find it yesterday. I found it this morning.

    RC Groups - View Single Post - CellLog is releasing!

    Keep in mind that once this mod is done you will not be able to monitor a 1 cell battery, I think 2 cell is becomes the minimum.

    -Chan
     
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    Excellent, and its even very easy to do. Great. :)

    I should have my celllogs this week. Unfortuantely, I don't have a 15A SSR yet. So, I won't have the charging disconnect working right away. Also, the arduino code will need some tweaking to work correctly with the celllogs. This will be no problem though.
     
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    Just a reminder to all CellLog users. Upgrade the firmware to the lastest 2.07. Solves some of the powersaving issues I was having. The upgrade software is on the CD and you can download the firmware from the software.
     
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    The celllogs have arrived. They are very small which is kind of nice. The bad thing? They don't come with wiring harnesses for the batteries! I was under the impression that they did. The upside is that it seems like they'll plug right into the DB8 balancer connector. If they can't, it looks like a standard circuit board female header will plug into the connector. What did you guys use?

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    Here is the kit contents. You see it comes with a CD. It contains software for data logging which is pretty nice.
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    Here is a close up of the actual unit. You can see the two ports on the side...
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    One is the USB to connect to a computer, and the other is the very handy alarm port that I'll be using to trigger the arduino automatic disconnect. In the celllog setup, you can set the port to normally open, or normally closed, so it'll be really easy to program the arduino to read this signal.
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    Daox,

    It uses the same connector as the DB8. It is plug and play. You can get some from ebay. I had extras since I was given 8 balancers for my 8kWh system.
     
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    Well, I'm back from vacation, and ready to finish this thing up! Today I took the time to reprogram the arduino for use with the celllogs. Using the celllogs really simplified the code. Basically, it waits for an alarm. When the alarm goes off, it will send a signal to disconnect the 110V power to the charger.

    I originally had it setup so it would reconnect the power after 1 hour. But, since I believe that balancing at the bottom is probably a superior solution, I have taken this out of the program. Once the celllog alarms out, the charging will stop. If you want to keep charging, you'll have to unplug the cord, and plug it back in. This resets the arduino and start things over again. So, as soon as the alarm goes off it'll stop again.

    I'm still working out how I want to do the 12V disconnect to the dc to dc converter. I'd like to keep this as simple as possible, and I still have the problem of two 12V inputs to the arduino. I need to find a way to power the arduino consistently, yet also allow for a way to reset it. I don't see this as a problem, just something I haven't figured out yet.

    Also, I still don't have a solid state relay for the 110V power. I'll be picking that up this weekend. With that I'll get the automatic charging disconnect working which IMO is the more major part. Shortly after that, I'll hopefully get the automatic dc to dc converter disconnect setup and working.
     
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    You pretty much have it. When plugged in for charging, the arduino will be powered by a wall wart power supply. However, when on the road, the arduino will be powered by the 12V power going to the phev's dc to dc converter via the 'ready wire' on the Prius. By doing things this way, it will allow the arduino to reset via unplugging the cord, or by switching the phev kit on and off. If I simply powered it off the car's 12V, number one it would be on constantly (not a big problem, but it is a small constant drain). Number two, I'd have to add a switch or some timeout to tell the arduino to turn the relays back on to connect the pack again. It will just be easier to use if there are two separate power supplies.

    The problem with this is what if the car is on and pack is turned on, but it is also plugged in to charge? Now, this could easily be avoided by just never doing this, but chances are someone will eventually do it and blamo, friend arduino. So, I think you're right and I can just diode the power supplies so I never have a problem.
     
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    Bleh, I just overcharged last night. I plugged in and forgot about it. A few hours later I went out and the pack was 57.7V, both balancer alarms were going off, and I'm sure some of the cells were very high. Its really time to get this thing running.

    So, this weekend I finally collected the components for the PHEV disconnect. I got my solid state relay as well as a 5V power supply with some tab connectors which will be very easy to use. These both came from a friend of mine who runs a salvage company. Pics of the components and install to come tonight unless something comes up.
     
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    As I said, I have an update on this project. I got it wired up enough to test out and see that its working. I'll definitely need to get it all tidied up for use in the car. I also think I need to use some optical isolators to prevent any pack shorting between the two celllogs. For now, I'll probably just hook up one celllog to the arduino. I'm pretty sure I know which bank alarms out first. Anyway, instead of typing, I shot a video. If anything is unclear just ask.

    edit: when I say maximum pack voltage I really just mean any alarm the celllog.

     
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    For those of us without cell overcharge protection in our kits, this looks like a nicely integrated solution.

    Thanks for the video.
     
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    Three weeks go by very quickly. Tonight I got the additional circuit board all soldered up. It basically houses the opto isolators so no electrical connections are made where they're not supposed to be. So, there isn't much on it, still took a couple hours to make. It is nice and compact though.

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