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My Prius Update Re Break Issue & Story With Toyota Gb Hq

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by hsiaolc, Feb 5, 2010.

  1. GrumpyCabbie

    GrumpyCabbie Senior Member

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    With respect Ken, the guy posting the article was from the UK (like me) and Toyota here are saying there isn't a problem - period! We don't have the backup of a body like the NHTSA to help us out.

    The link you posted says that the Prius is being recalled in the US and Japan - but not the UK. Toyota UK are saying they have not had any reports of this issue yet this is clearly not true as I have reported it and so have many others. It is that sort of attitude which has probably got Toyota into this mess in the first place because the truth always comes out eventually.
     
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    My 2005 reacts the same, if i hit a bumpy road surface when coming to a stop downhill especially there is a loss of brakes.
     
  3. hsiaolc

    hsiaolc New Member

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    Thank your for your understanding.

    Actually I managed to reporduce the Braking Surge problem once more today as of the 6th February 2010. I was trying to to reproduce it and I am surprised as to how dangerous it is. Again I was terrified when it did happen and reminded me how dangerous and scary it can be. I am surprised that it is actually very easy to replicate with the road being very smooth a bit of an incline
    and with no bumps or pot holes.

    Those who has exprienced it then you are lucky. Those who has and think it is managable then you probably got the slight surge which happens day to day but a huge surge like the one I've experienced it 3 times now, it will scare you because if there are any car infront you will definitly hit it.
     
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    Toyota PR Toyota UK PR

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    I hope I can clear up a few points and offer some reassurance.

    Firstly, no matter what you read in any press or hear on the TV and radio, there is currently no recall on third-generation Prius anywhere in the world.

    Toyota has received customer complaints about the way the brakes work (i.e brake feel). There is no evidence of brakes failing.

    Some customers have reported that, under certain braking conditions, such as when hitting a bump, pothole or low grip surface, they notice a change in the braking feel of their third-generation Toyota Prius. This change in braking feel is due to the specific set-up of the anti-lock braking system on third-generation Prius. At no time are drivers without brakes.

    However, to answer customer criticisms and in line with Toyota’s traditional Kaisen (continuous improvement) philosophy, a change to the software was introduced in production from late January 2010. This change does not alter the effectiveness of the brakes, but gives the driver a more consistent braking feeling.

    Safety and customer satisfaction are paramount to Toyota. We continue to investigate any customer reports on braking issues. We are also investigating how and when we could offer customers with third-generation Prius built before January 2010 the same software upgrade as has been applied to production. We will be in contact with customers shortly on this matter.

    If you have any concerns please contact your Toyota Retailer or our UK Customer Relations free-phone line on 0800 1388 744.
     
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    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

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    wy is there nobody putting a video on youtube or so
    a lot of people are yelling about, and in this case 2-3 meters...
    and if its so easy to reproduce.. make a video of it.. i want some prove not just online comments and personal intrepations of a situation
     
  6. hsiaolc

    hsiaolc New Member

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    I guess you havn't read what I said earlier. I 've called my retailer and the UK Customer relations already.

    I have reported the problem and many have reported the problem to Toyota GB already. However, they or you still insist that no one has reported a problem. I believe thats called Lying? I am actually in the middle of lisaing with the press at the moment as to regarding Toyota lying to its customers. I am done with calling your Customer relations because obviously all you do is just lie.
     
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    Valium?
     
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    There are untold reports that Toyota service writers just blow off. If they wrote them down it would open them up to Lemon Law claims and other liability claims, so they just don't do it. No one really knows how many times this has been really reported.
     
  9. GrumpyCabbie

    GrumpyCabbie Senior Member

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    Valium? Nah, a few pints would be much more enjoyable.

    When all this is sorted I'm sure we'll all look back and laugh :eek:
     
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    With a UK perspective we don't have lemon laws or as much protection or backup that you have with the NHTSA etc. We have really got to rely on the manufacturer recalling the vehicle. Now this does happen but also one is left wondering sometimes if things get swept under the carpet (I'm generalising here and not meaning Toyota).

    With all the protection you have in the USA with the NHTSA makes me wonder if that is why there are many European manufacturers who don't bother selling their cars to you. I'm thinking Renault, Citreon, Peugeot, Fiat, Lancia & Alfa and my personal view is that these manufacturers don't really have a reputation for quality! Stylish cars? yes, reliable cars? hmmmm.
     
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    I believe you are one of Toyota GB organization.
    You are already aware the "symptom" of Prius brake system.
    I think the complaint here is he reported the "problem", but he was told there is no "problem" by Toyota GB.

    Why don't you tell users that Toyota GB is already aware about the "issue", working with Toyota HQ Japan about the "issue" and please stay tuned?

    (I am a Japanese and not a native English speaking person, but I hope you understand what I am saying.)

    Ken@Japan
     
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    Yep Toyota is going to go the extra mile for their customers. Toyota just sent me a brand new computer for my troubles. In fact I am typing this on my new Toyota keyboaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


    :D
     
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    SlowTurd I LIKE PRIUS'S

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    carefully worded PR

    yes, your brakes will work.



    read between the lines and they can't admit....

    no, they don't work 100% like they should. (my words)
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    My interpretation of the release is that the brakes work but they don't have the expected feel. In all of this, is there any evidence that the car accelerates while braking? While in the braking process does it go from 24mph to 25mph?
     
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    The only car I have a problem was a 97 Chevy Venture were the gas tank would move when stopping
    GM said it was a characteristic of the vechiclie it was only 2 years after selling the van did I find out that there is a recall

    I have no problem with braking on our 2010 Prius
     
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    If you are driving downhill then it may be possible, thanks to gravity, and I think these are the cases that scare people the most.

    While I'm posting, let me express that I do think that the OP is overreacting and that a fix will be available in Europe too, we just need to be patient.
     
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    Braking are all to do with feeling. There are no instruments on the dashboard to advice people how hard and when to break. If Prius manages to mess up the feeling then by causing confusion it will cause accidents.

    Overreacting? If no one has reacted then none of these problems will surface. This braking issue has brought up in the forum since the Beginning of August. Thats roughly when the new Prius came out in the UK. 5 months now they have been sitting on this information and they have made fixes to new Prius but still tell us that they are investigating and that they have never ever heard of the Braking problem in the UK?

    Personally I think I am not over reacting at all. This will be my last post regarding this issue. I have enough evidence now to show that Toyota USA, UK and Europe knew about this problem since 3rd Gen Prius release till now. Friday 5th February 2010 they still insist they havn't heard of the problem. After my posting on the 6th February 2010 they decided to post to my thread and put the same answer on Toyota UK main website. And if you have read my reponse to their answer it is not satisfactory.
     
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    Physics apply everywhere - not just in Toyotas.

    Edumacate yourself - you'll find the answer ouside of the media hysteria and competition driven bullshit. :D

    HINT: Do some reaearch on Audi's "sudden acceleration" issue.

    -Brad
     
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    I'd make it to your Klan rally...but my hood is at the dry cleaners.

    Incredible LMAO
     
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    I'll admit...thats pretty funny LOL