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pet peeve: homonyms and incorrect word usage

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  1. TonyPSchaefer

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    I studied Language and Linguistics for a while in college and some of my favorite professors were in the English department.

    One in particular was a linguistic international star if such a thing existed; he spoke several languages very well, published in most of them around the world, knew most linguistic nuances of many dialects of non-English languages and could very closely pinpoint your hometown based on only a sentence or two. As such, he would bastardize the English language as though there were no rules. As a student, it was a good time. But when he taught, he did so in ways that have stuck with me for all these years.

    Here are a few examples:
    Once, during a test, a student raised his hand and asked if he could borrow a pencil. "Mine is broke" explained the student. "No it's not," replied the prof. "I'm broke; your pencil is broken."

    I vs. me
    I hear this one all the time. For some reason, people seem to think that using "I" is more formal and will, therefore, use it at every opportunity. However, when speaking about yourself and someone else, "I" is not always the correct pronoun. You should be able to remove the other person from the sentence and still have a valid sentence. For example: "Steve and I are going to the store" is correct because you would never say, "Me is going to the store. On the other hand, "when you have completed your work, please give to Steve or I" is incorrect because you would never say, "...give it to I."

    As I said, he used to abuse the English language for fun. There was a student who sat in the front of the class, right in the middle, and had no sense of humor. This student - for whatever reason - would often correct the prof. (yeah, I know) Once, while the prof was writing on the blackboard, the student corrected him yet again. With this, the prof spun around and said, "so long as information has been conveyed communication has occurred." This taught me that even when someone is misspeaking, it is most important to pay attention to what they mean rather than how they say it. And as I travel around the country and globe, I hear the English language bent in ways the prof never attempted but it doesn't change the fact that communication is occurring.

    This leads me to one more point that he taught us. He was explaining how his job was to arm us with the rules. And he did. We knew etymology, dialectology, creoles, pidgins, and a slew of other things. What he couldn't teach us, however, was how to apply those rules. He explained, for example, how a political candidate will intentionally misspeak in order to fit in with the audience and sound more like "one of them." He mentioned how we will find ourselves bending the rules around others because we don't want to appear too smart or aloof. When it came to listening to others, he minced no words when he said, "there are those who correct others because they know what's right. And then there are those who bite their tongue because they know what's best." Too many times I have seen someone's perfectly good point get lost in someone else's attempt to explain how they expressed it incorrectly.

    How I break the rules.
    I do not like the grammatical construct of prefacing an infinitive with a negative indicator. For example, "try not to wreck the car" or "try not to spend all the money." As far as I'm concerned, "try not" is on the same par as "do not" in which one does not do. Therefore, telling someone to "try not to wreck the car" is to tell them to not try wrecking the car." This, in my opinion, is not the intention of the statement. Therefore, I knowingly split the infinitive by saying, "try to not wreck the car" which means that you should actively try to avoid damaging the vehicle. Likewise, "try to not spend all the money" is more accurate to the intent than is "try not to spend all the money."

    I enjoyed studying Linguistics. Second only to Programming it is one of my favorite subjects.

    And yes, I will forever start sentences with prepositions. And I'm fine with that.
     
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    Thank you for saying so eloquently what I did not.
     
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    "She offered her honor. He honored her offer. And all night long he was on her and off her."
     
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    A preposition, however, is a poor thing to end a sentence with.
    And don't never use no double negatives.

    *** If you are easily bored, please stop reading now ***

    Tony, while I agree that the true test of the acceptability an utterance or written passage is whether or not communication has occurred, the rules of language exist precisely to minimise the risk of miscommunication (as well as the more social aspects for which other animals use reciprocal grooming).

    A case in point; "Tony banned Efusco because he was being difficult".

    In that sentence, who was being difficult? (...and yes, I know, who's on first.)

    Grammatical rules help us to disambiguate possible alternative meanings. (Pronomial references are full of ambiguities, that's why we don't use pronouns when talking to young children.)

    When speaking, using correct grammar to disambiguate becomes even more crucial than it is in writing. Lest you think I'm being pedantic, (although I am certainly being just that) I have another example for your dining and dancing pleasure. One evening, many years ago, my wife and I were reclining in the back garden watching clouds pass overhead (I can barely remember what it's like to have time to do that!). In any case, after a long silence, my wife turned to me and said;

    "Sam, I would never want you to have an affair".

    I replied; "Why, do you want me to suffocate?".

    What I heard was; "Sam, I would never want you to have enough air."

    The two utterances sound exactly the same. I needed better grammar or more context to segment the speech stream accurately. Without that context, what you have is fertile ground for marital disharmony (homophones operate at the level of utterances as well as individual words).

    While I'm on the subject of language and marital harmony, one also needs to be aware of gender differences in language use. When a woman says; "Don't you think its hot in here?", the translation for male ears is; "Open the window!".

    In posting things on sites like PC, you can even improve communication by where you place things on the page, use of fonts, and of course, using emoticons to make up for the lack of facial expressions :)

    When people make an effort to communicate well, I enjoy reading and listening to them. Regrettably, I realise that I've now digressed much too far and will retire back to the Boring Thread, Word, etc., and allow those of you with glazed eyes get back to discussion of Talking Sex Robots... ;)
     
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  6. TonyPSchaefer

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    I couldn't agree more. There is a distinct difference between playing loose with the rules and hindering understanding. I referenced playing loose with the rules; you inferred that I seek to stand in the way of coherence. A pretty good example of bending the rules would be just about every Shakespearean play and sonnet in which he takes great liberties with the English language in order to fit the rhyming and iambic scheme. But it would be wrong to argue that his words do not make sense. For more fun, whip out some Poe poetry in which he weaves in some Latin and French when it suits his needs. That's more than bending the rules; that's cheating.
     
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    Pedantic, Sam antic. :D

    And I thought we were supposed to say "No, Dear, it's just you." ;)

    Not a tall. Your hallucination is admiral. :yo:
     
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    It never crossed my mind. :p

    Personally, I often enjoy using words and actions that confuse and mislead, only to show people what not to do of course.
    Just like a Koshare.
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    Yes Hyo, it is just another case of Samantics ;)
     
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    *groan*

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    Tony, you do know I suppose that spelling in the English language during Tudor times was entirely optional! And to be fair, it really is a far less rational language that say German or Swedish, with inconsistencies in spelling and pronunciation that confuse non-English speakers. (We Brits used to tell ourselves that that was how you knew who the foreigners were!) During his lifetime George Bernard Shaw tried to propose sensible changes in English spelling, a brave task for an Irishman, without success. Winston Churchill once described Great Britain and America as "Two great nations divided by a common language", vividly illustrating that minor differences in spelling need not detract from genuine and valid communication.
     
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    Sam, your points are all very well taken.

    Maybe it's my age, but in my opinion the overwhelming influence of mass communication in the modern era has had an effect on its quality. The advertising jingle, the TV sound bite, political sloganeering all tend to pander to "everyman" .... so the mantra is "keep it simple, stupid", even when the subject matter is often complex and cannot be made simple.
     
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    Wht abt txts? Wil th wrld nd w/o vwls?

    Na :)
     
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    English as she is spoke has been deteriorating for centuries, according to some. I haven't been around that long to know. :p

    But txting, ya, isit any wndr ppl cnt spl?
     
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    Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

    Tony, it's my understanding that some traditional rules of proper English were based on the desires of academics for English to be more like Latin, which was considered the ideal language during much of the last couple centuries. Latin doesn't allow split infinitives, so they were arbitrarily labelled a bad idea in English. To really be understood however, it may be necessary to split an infinitive. And of course, being from Minnesota, a preposition is a perfectly fine thing for me to end a sentence with.

    Things that are misspelled just jump out at me for some reason. I don't necessarily want to correct people, but these things do irk me. Like "should of" instead of "should've". I think one person on PC uses "allot" (meaning to distribute or parcel out) instead of the intended "a lot" simply because the spell checker flags "alot" which is what he probably wants to use.

    For some reason I always have to think about "it's" vs. "its", but I make the effort. "Maybe" vs. "may be" is another one like that, but less chastised, or maybe just less commonly abused? My boss confuses "than" and "then". I had a colleague who would correct everybody when they misused an adverb, leaving off the "ly" ending, which was done more often than I realized when I was the one being corrected, but now I'm aware of it. Not sure if that's a good thing or not, because now I'm cursed with the knowledge that whenever somebody yells something like "Come quick!" they didn't say it correct. :)

    Sometimes I type one thing while thinking another, it's just that my fingers are going on a familiar path but not the one my brain is on. At least, that's my excuse.

    Sam, I wonder how your wife took the idea of not having an affair to be suffocating.
     
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    Ack... yes this is definitely one of my biggest pet peeves -- especially when they try to add a "d" to make the past tense "loosed".

    I can understand people using "its" when they mean "it's" -- either due to confusion or laziness (not wanting to type the apostrophe) -- and problems with "your/you're" and "they're/their/there" are annoying, but "loose" and "lose" are not homonyms, and even if you think "loose" is pronounced like "lose", how would you get "loosed" instead of "lost"??!
     
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    Wrods are fnuny thnigs. Reshearcers hvae fonud taht so lnog as the fisrt and the lsat letetrs in the wrods are whree tehy shuold be, most peolpe hvae no rael tuorble raednig eevn copmlicated setennces.
     
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    Churchill said that was something "up with which I will not put". :confused:
     
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    This is sooo weird but you're right, you can read it. :eek:
     
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    Another common phrase that tends to irk me relates to someone praising another by claiming after some accomplishment he (or she) "Did good".

    My urge is usually to respond .... "No; Mother Teresa did good; he did well"!