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If Toyota is serious about quality, they can start with better OEM Tyres!

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  1. freo-1

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    I've noticed Toyota has started ads about improving quality control. This is an obvious good first step toward regaining the high ground.

    I've owned Toyota's off and on since the late 70's, and on the whole, have been impressed with their cars.

    However, one of my pet peeves with Toyota is the fact that they put poor quality OEM tyres in order to save a few yen. I think one thing they could do to improve their image is to put higher quality OEM tyres on their vehicles.

    Ford has gotten the message. The OEM tyres with the Ford Fusion Hybrid are excellent.

    Time for Toyota to get the message too!
     
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    I thought all the new tires on the 2010s were good. :confused:
     
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    That is not the case. They put lower end tyres on most of their cars to meet price points, and assist with profit margins.

    I would rather that they spend a bit more to get proper tyres (a la the Ford Fusion Hybrid).
     
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    i have 32k miles on my original tires and still going strong, expect i'll get over 40k.
     
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    Isn't that standard procedure with nearly all car companies?

    As for the Fusion Hybrid, the price tag warrants a better tire IMO. :)
     
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    I can assure you that you would not be happy with them if you lived up north, and had to deal with snow and ice.

    The OEM tyres on the Touring are awful in bad weather.
     
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    Most of us agree that the Gen II OEM tires are bad. Like F8L, I have heard that the Gen III tires are much better. I don't have any personal experience, so it would be nice to hear from some Gen III owners.

    Tom
     
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    Agreed. I thought they were much better but after looking them up I see some bad reviews for them on TireRack and such. :(

    Anyone else have input on their 2010 Prius factory tires?
     
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    Hmmm, maybe I should consider something better next time. Have you replaced the Turanza's yet?
     
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    Oh, yes indeed! The first bad snowstorm convinced me to junk them.

    In the OEM size, IMHO, the tyre to get is the Nokian WR-G2. It is an outstanding tyre in all aspects (albeit a bit pricey). It is a low rolling resistance, quieter, and grips in all types of weather.

    CR recently reviewed tyres, and another recommendation is the Hankook Optimo H727. The only problem with that one is it's not the OEM size (you have to get a 205 vs. 195).
     
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    My Yokohama tires seem to be doing fine. Only 7500 miles so far, so time will tell. As for handling and mileage, they seem to be doing fine.

    They seem to be equal to the tires that came on my 2007 Honda Accord.

    Of course, I am not in the snow and ice region so have not had experience from that standpoint.
     
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    +1 on the Nokian WR-G2.

    Tom
     
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    They do have good quality OEM tyres.. you just have to pay for them.

    The Camry Hybrid (and XLE) models get top-of-the-range Michelin Enery MXV4 S8.


    Typically, lower models get crappier tyres.


    For example, the last gen Corolla had Uniroyal Tiger Paws if you bought the CE but Goodyear Integritys if you bought the S or LE. Yes, the Integritys aren't great but they're better than the Tiger Paws.

    For the Camry, you got the Integrity if you bought the Camry LE and the MXV4 Plus if you bought the XLE.
     
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    Not good enough (IMHO). The Goodyear Integrity is a poor tyre at best. You mean to say that Toyota can't spring for a better Goodyear tyre? (such as a Comfort Tread). I don't buy it.

    The Prius Touring CERTAINLY should have been equipped with Nokians, not those horrible Bridgestones. The car stickered for 30K, so the pay arguement does not fly here.

    Toyota certainly SHOULD put Michleans on all the Camry's from the LE on up.

    As stated earlier, Ford got the message. Toyota needs to as well.
     
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    Toyota has always made you pay for certain amenities (why, I'll never know). It bugs me (stuff like automatic headlights, illuminated vanity mirrors etc etc are sometimes reserved for the top model only even if the base model costs Cdn$30k). As much as the Nokians are LRR, i'm sure the Ecopias are better for achieving max mpg (just as the Integritys are).

    I agree, the Integritys were crap but Nokians will definitely add to the price (and will everyone appreciate the better tyre?). It might not matter in the US but in Canada, there is a huge price difference btwn WRs and Integritys.
     
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    Well, I understand your point about the cost issue. It just seems to me that if a given buyer WANTS the upper tier of a product (such as an XLE or Touring), then the best tyres SHOULD come with the car. I have to believe that Toyota could pass along the cost of a Nokia with bulk purchasing at a much lower price increase than us having to buy them after the fact to correct a shortfall.

    Perhaps the tyres fitted should go according to the region they are sold in. I'm sure in Canada and the northen US that Nokians would be the preferred tyre (along with some Michleans), and I would think that customers would absorb a 200 dollar increase in purchase price to get a safer driving experience.
     
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    To separate from a debate over Gen2 tires and Gen3 tires, I think simply the OP's statement is true. Better OEM tires would be a good move for Toyota especially with The Prius. In general and despite a few people, most threads seem to suggest less than stellar results with the OEM Prius tires.

    This however isn't unique to Prius or Toyota. Every new vehicle I've owned has come off the lot with horrible tires. I've had more than one salesman, from more than one automotive brand, tell me that the standard for OEM tires was that they be Black and Round and last until you've signed the contract and are driving off the lot.

    Granted I haven't been buying luxury cars, but every new vehicle I've purchased I've had to replace the OEM's in less than 16 months.

    I know the justification for not having the best tires, is cost. But you'd think that if Toyota or any major automobile manufacturer was negotiating the purchase of Tires on the huge scale that a Toyota would be, that they could get better prices and ensure at least a minimum standard of quality.

    At retail just as an off the street consumer the difference between Cheap Tires, and very, very good tires doesn't exceed $400-$600 maximum as a set. So you'd think Toyota and most manufacturers could do better.

    Toyota could even market it. Advertise the fact that High Quality tires are being provided. I think the prevailing wisdom is that most new purchasers don't think too much about Tires on or around the time of purchase. So it's a place most manufacturers think they can cut cost BUT I agree with the OP, it's an opportunity specifically for Toyota to improve and show they have commited to doing business in a different way. I know I'd appreciate buying a new car, and knowing that I could get some decent life out of the tires, instead of just making a mental note that at probably less than 2 years in some cases "months" I'm going to have to look at purchasing "Real Tires", which is the way it is now.

    You'd also think Tire Manufacturers would want to provide good quality tires. How many Prius Owners did NOT buy Goodyear tires to replace Goodyear OEM's on Prius? Out of instinct, if you are not happy with the life or performance of a tire most people will try a different brand.

    If I got 60,000-75,000 miles and good performance from my OEM's (never has happened) I'd be much more likely to replace with the same manufacturer's tire at retail when I replaced.

    This isn't meant as an attack on Toyota or Prius, it's just an area where I've long thought Auto and Tire manufacturers are making a mistake.
     
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    I'm happy with the bridgestones they put on my car. I noticed ford and gm are no better. So i will disagree with the OP.

    Talking about quality, i wont be able to answer that untill i get to 150,000 miles, then i will make my only judgement on the quality of a toyota, they will either pass of fail with me, and i wont give them a second chance. I'm talking about major repairs, not little things like a rattle or squeak. I'm thinking if i have to pay more than 2,000 for repairs to get to 150,000 miles i may try a different brand.
     
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    Well, living where you do, suspect you are not in position to valide the tyre's performance in bad weather. If they work for you, fine. However, check out tire rack reviews on them, and you will notice most do not share that viewpoint.
    I can assure you that you would not share that opinion if you had to use them in snow/ice. That is why I mentioned eariler that tyres perhaps should be fitted for a specific region of the country.

    Ford has improved the quality of their OEM tyres the past few years, so I take issue with the statement they are no better.
     
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    I have been a little critical of Toyota's quality issues so I think I should defend them when they do something right. The Toyo A20 tires that came on my 2010 Prius are some of the best tires I have ever had. I have used them in temperatures from 110 down to -10 and in dry, rain, ice and snow and they performed as they should. They are all season tires so they will never be as good as winter tires in the snow but for someone like me who does not buy winter tires they do just fine. I am especially pleased with tracking and handling in both wet and dry conditions. They are head and shoulders above the Goodyear OEM tires that came on my '05 Prius. Thanks for the good tires Toyota.