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Good Article on Toyota's Predicament

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  1. malorn

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    Inside Toyota?s epic safety breakdown - Autos- msnbc.com

    I have been telling some of you guys for years that this was happening. The warranty repairs on toyotas have been a chunk higher per toyota then per gm and per Ford. I rented a 4 cylinder camry in early January and I know I am biased but it is not even close to the Malibu or fusion, or the new taurus. Test drive them for yourself.

    What happened to GM over 30 years seems to have happened to toyota over about 10 years. I cannot believe their reaction to this crisis. It reminds me of GM at their worst about 20 years ago.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Good article. Many big, successful organizations eventually suffer this same problem. NASA went through this, leading to the Challenger explosion. After that they were paralyzed for fear of making more mistakes.

    Toyota's response over the next few weeks will be critical and interesting to watch.

    Tom
     
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    Reminds me of how Mercedes lost their way on quality in the 1990's. They appear to have recovered since and I'm sure Toyota will learn and come back stronger.
     
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    How would a test drive indicate warranty repair rate?

    Sound & Feel have aren't related to reliability. Heck, my Taurus had a remarkably smooth & quiet automatic transmission... for years, right up until shortly before the transmission died.
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  5. malorn

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    Two separate statements.

    1.Chevy's and Ford's have less warranty repairs.

    2. Take a test drive in a toytoa and then a comparable Ford or Chevy. I know they have nothing comparable to your Prius.:(
     
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    1. Wasn't the original claim about cost, not quantity?

    2. Wasn't the original comparison to Camry, not Prius?

    Better read your own posts closer.
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    I do the best I can between interruptions and meetings.
     
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    same here
    a smooth running automatic american brand ( i am sorry ) that just stopt working from one moment on to the other..
    and i have to say with a lot less miles on it then it suposed to have.

    toyota and for that matter subaru also have more cheap feeling plastic dashboards.
    but thats nothing to do with quality of the ice and transmission

    so i agree with your comment

    and how many recalls where there with GM or ford?
    the chevy cobalt..... more then 1100 complaints and several injury's

    and also maybe read this
    its on the same page of your link

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35261471/

    By Dan Carney, contributor

    Toyota says it has recalled 5.6 million vehicles in the U.S. over unintended acceleration.

    But Toyota’s recall -- while massive -- isn't nearly the largest, so far ranking No. 4 on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s hit parade of top recalls in the agency’s history.

    Domestic manufacturers dominate this list, but it’s simply a matter of mathematics: Many of the biggest recalls are from the agency’s earlier years, and import brands at that time simply didn’t sell enough autos in the U.S. for any recalls to cover a large number of vehicles. Now that they do, they are earning places on the list too.

    Click on the top for a look at the top 10 recalls in the U.S. of all time.\

    the number one is ford
    1: Ford
    Number of vehicles recalled: 7.9 million
    Year of recall: 1996
    The company warned that the ignition switch on the recalled vehicles could overheat and smoke or catch fire.

    Ford recalled most of its models built between 1988 and ’93, including the Aerostar, Bronco, Crown Victoria, Escort, F-150 pickup, Mustang, Tempo and Thunderbird.
     
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    GM recalls 2 million vehicles — Autoblog
    If you have virtually any 2003-2005 GM SUV or crew cab truck you'll probably be getting a recall notice. 1.5 million 2003-2005 Chevy Silverado Crew Cabs, Suburbans, Tahoes, Avalanches, Cadillac Escalades, Escalade ESVs, Escalade EXTs, GMC Sierra Crew Cabs, Yukons, Yukon XLs and Hummer H2s have been recalled for faulty rear safety belts that don't protect passengers adequately. No one has been injured as a result. However 142,000 1999-2002 1500 Series Chevy Silverados and GMC Sierra pickups are also being recalled for manual transmission problems that led to 26 crashes.

    http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/insult-to-injury-gm-recall/9333/page1/
    The possibility of engine fires has prompted General Motors to recall nearly 1.5 million passenger sedans manufactured between 1997 and 2003, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced Monday. The recall involves certain GM vehicles in which oil apparently can leak and ignite.

    Yep, current and newer GMs are trouble free.