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  1. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    The Official Rants and Trolls Thread

    It has been suggested elsewhere that we need a forum for rants and trolls. Until we have such a forum, this thread is the place for all your wild, pointless rants. If your rant has a purpose, put it in the appropriate forum. If it is pointless, put it here. Trolls are welcome in this thread. (Note, however, that the rules of Prius Chat are not suspended; and if your rant is political it belongs in the Politics forum, which is itself a rants and trolls forum dedicated to politics.) You can rant about someone else's rant if you like, but this thread should not be considered a thread about my rant which follows, and intelligent rational discussion is bad form and out of place here. So please try to avoid discussing any previous rant in a sensible manner.

    I'll begin. My rant:

    LOVE

    There is a popular notion that love is a spiritual experience which happens when "the right two people" encounter each other. "Love at first sight" is part of this myth, as is the preposterous notion that there exists "someone for everyone." The folly of these ideas should be evident in the common experience of unrequited love, where one person loves another, but that other thinks the person is a pest. This popular notion of love is an example of magical or religious thinking. It is so pervasive, that it is even transfered to the deity in many flavors of Christianity, where it is asserted that "god is love" and "god loves us" as if we were a nubile adolescent virgin girl and god were a dirty old man. No thought is given to what love actually is, and partly as a result, people mistake sexual lust for love. The tragedy is that when the attraction is mutual, people think they love each other (Romeo and Juliet are often invoked, though Humbert Humbert and Lolita would be a more appropriate comparison) when they merely are desperate to get into each other's pants. They marry, have kids, and then either get divorced or become physically abusive when the lust wears off and they realize they are stuck with someone they don't like. The other side of this tragedy, and perhaps in a way even more tragic, is that people fail to see the potential for love in people who are less attractive but more compatible.

    BTW, Romeo and Juliet probably would have gotten divorced or ended up alcoholic, he beating her in drunken rages, if they had not both committed suicide almost as soon as they were married. Note that Romeo was a butterfly, flitting from one girl to another, insisting vociferously that each in turn was the only one for him, and that he loved her with a superhuman intensity, and Juliet was merely his most recent infatuation. Note also that Juliet was 13 years old, going on 14, and Romeo was in his 30's. Lolita, was just one year younger, 12 going on 13, and we consider Humbert Humbert to be a pervert. Ah, the ways of love! (Or lust, in both cases, to be more precise.)

    Love is a relationship that grows when two people make a commitment to each other, understanding that they are two people with different needs, and that compromise and adjustment will be necessary.

    There is a short story called "A Marriage of Convenience" by William Somerset Maugham, in which a man receives an appointment to a government post in the far east, but at the last minute is informed that the post can only go to a married man. He makes a futile effort to find "the right woman" but the time is too short, and he finally approaches a woman he hardly knows or does not know at all and presents her with the proposition: That he is about to take a very desirable overseas post and if she will marry and accompany him he will make every effort to be a good husband to her. She accepts, and they form a bond which grows into love in the course of time and they live a long and happy life together. The moral being that love does not just happen; it is built by two people making a commitment and working hard to be kind to each other. This is a work of fiction, but the author is an astute observer of human nature. (He's also a racist donkey, but that's beside the point.)

    The world would be a happier place if people gave up on the preposterous belief that there is one "right" person for everyone, selected by fate or god or the universe, as if the universe cared a fig for us, and realized instead that you merely find someone who is adequate, and who considers you adequate, and then you make a mutual commitment to being nice to each other. From that seed, love can grow. It may not always, but it's got a better chance than when it's sought in fairy tales.
     
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    I agree completely. I've had some pretty rotten relationships and barely kept my sanity intact.

    When you consider the divorce rate, and how many UNHAPPY marriages there are out there, the odds are really against ANY relationship working

    But we are slaves to our programming, our need to reproduce at any cost. Once you get past the fun part - the act of reproduction - you are left with this reality: two distinct and unique human beings, with their own wants, needs, desires, and usually those wants, needs, and desires are mutually exclusive

    Try looking for a Friend With Benefits, and do what I did a long time ago - refuse emotional attachments
     
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    Tsk, Daniel, violating your own rule right out of the box with a very pointed and succinctly reasoned rant, far from pointless.

    I predict this thread will become the opposite of its title: a place where thoughtful mini-essays will outnumber tirades from any trolls that happen to blunder in. No troll is going to deliberately visit someplace he's been officially invited! :p
     
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    NO NO NO! You're not supposed to agree with a rant, though you can rant about an earlier rant. This is not a thread about my rant. It's a thread for ranting. Mine is not the subject, it's just the first rant because I started the thread.

    Now, let's have some more rants.
     
  5. jayman

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    :doh:

    :tsk:

    Oh boy .....
     
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    Don't you have emotional attachments with your friends? And I don't mean just your fwb... I mean bona-fide love in your heart for other non-romantic relationships?


    Too many rules.
    Can't be a rant thread with so many rules.

    I have to run off to a study group or I'd let you have it in response to your rant Daniel... It will have to wait until I get back. ;) I really do love to disagree with you it seems!



    I belonged to a forum once where everyone kept erupting into arguments over personal attacks so we created a "fight club" thread. Anything and everything could be said there as long as people agreed to keep their differences out of the main threads. It offered a place for the feisty to fight, a place for the spectators to watch, and peace and tranquility for the rest of us.
     
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    Of COURSE I do. But I also know they won't emotionally hurt me. When you specifically enter into a long-term relationship and end up getting emotionally hurt, you tend to view ALL such relationships with suspicion
     
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    This is not quite the same, but I used to participate in a board where someone started an insults thread. The folks on that board were very creative. The thread was not for people to insult people they disliked. It was for the pure creativity of imaginative insulting. The insults were so devastating that even though there was no actual animosity behind them, I could not participate. That was a completely unmoderated board. You could post ANYTHING. It was fun for a long time, but a lot of the better posters drifted away and a lot of less-imaginative people came along, and I got tired of it.

    NOW WILL SOMEONE PLEASE POST A RANT!?!?!?!?!?!
     
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    NO! You can't make me!!

    Quit telling everyone what to do!
     
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    Sorry double post, see below
     
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    There may be no benefits but the "talking love doll" seems to work for some people as that thread indicated. I myself is a die hard romantic and have been thrown and dragged around endlessly by the emotional rollercoaster women have taken me for a ride in.

    Oh, the rant: I hate lane-hoggers. Please get out of the way if you're going slower than the prevailing traffic.

    and: Hey NBC, why don't you show the Olympics in real time. Who watches your other programs anyway.
     
  12. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Hey, it's MY thread!!! Anyway, you can consider my telling you what to to to be a rant. :D

    NOW SOMEBODY PLEASE POST A RANT!!!
     
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    Rant on > Why the hell are we wasting time with this kinda BS? It's hard enogh to wade through the real troll posts as it is. <rant off

    :D
     
  14. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Okay, I've got another rant:

    I have noticed lately a bunch of neo-con political trolling masquerading as "jokes" in the Jokes thread. Politics belongs in the politics forum, and political hate and intolerance in the form of "jokes" belongs in the politics forum as well. Let them start a jokes thread in the politics forum if they want to spew their political vomit in the form of jokes. Calling political hate a "joke" does not qualify it to be posted in FHOP, even in the jokes thread there!
     
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    I understand. I'm just starting to gel with the idea that expectations might have something to do with my lack of success romantically. With my friends, I expect less and forgive sooner. Maybe this is why people who have "friends first" relationships keep reporting such success...

    As you wish. I will respond to your rant and try to do it making as little sense, using as much energy and emotion as I can muster:

    YOU ARE WRONG. I AM RIGHT!
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    OK ok... I'll be semi-serious.


    I agree with your logic. I only contend that love is not logical.

    I also know that we have a hormonal thing that happens that brings two people together initially, that last about 3 months. After the first three months you start to see them through the non-hormonal lens and that is when you can start to rationally evaluate if you could spend significant time with this person or if the stuff that makes you feel good about them is long term stuff.

    Relationships boil down to feel good moments and feel bad moments.

    All relationships have both. When two people create more feel good moments than feel bad moments, the odds are, they will continue to seek each other out and Viola! A relationship is born.

    Lots of stuff gets in the way of this happening of course but the bottom line is the same even for non-romantic relationships.

    As a parent, my job is to create more feel goods than not feel goods. When parents don't do this, kids grow up to become adults who had sucky childhoods.

    PS. A feel good moment is not always comfortable and all about disney land.. .One of my biggest feel good moments in life was with my best friend on her deathbed. It is a moment I will cherish for the rest of my life.





    I do not understand why people are going on and on about the brake issue in our cars!! It was very clearly and succinctly explained to us. LET IT GO ALREADY!!!!!!
     
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    I don`t have a rant, but I`ll add something.
    Romeo wasn`t in his 30s, and Juliet was originally 16. Romeo and Juliet wasn`t something Shakespeare came up with - it was based pretty much entirely on a specific poem from a some years earlier. Shakespeare never mentions Romeo`s age in the play, and in the poem he is too young to have real facial hair... So I think being in his 30s is kind of out.
    Shakespeare changed Juliet`s age, but never implied Romeo was any older, so the 30s figure is a mystery to me.

    So chances are, they were both in their teens.
     
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    I'm sorry, Daniel, but I'm going to have to agree with you. Except for Romeo's age. I agree with Tamyu there.
     
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    Let's Talk About Morons Equipped with Cell Phones

    [rant]

    To the idiot woman who insisted on talking to her friend during open lab hours this afternoon:

    I know you think every detail about what you are doing is extremely important, but I don't give a flying f*ck about any of it and I shouldn't be forced to listen to any of it. Simple common courtesy would have meant that you would have gotten up and gone outside to complete your call, but apparently the dirty looks that I kept shooting toward you were not enough to dissuade you. I wasn't sure about the lab policy (partially because you were so blatant in your disregard for others) but I later confirmed that it is against lab rules to use a cell phone in the lab. So if you do it again when I'm trying to get my assignment done in the last hour available, I will scream at you to hang up or get out. And if you don't do it immediately, I will take that phone and smash it into several pieces.

    Furthermore, if you are one of those people that try to talk and drive, you are lucky that I'm not in charge of enforcing that law (yes, it is against the law in California). Because I would use the patrol cruiser push bar to force you off the road. If you were trying to text while driving, I would force you off the road and then I would tazer you.

    One last thing, if you are one of those people that wear one of the Bluetooth receivers on your ear, you look like a dork. I can understand if you need it for your work, but you still look like a dork. If you are just wearing it for fun, you are a huge dork. If you walk down the street talking to someone who isn't there, you are either insane, or a dork who could be insane.

    [/rant]
     
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    Nice rant!
     
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    After 30+ years, my wife and I look at each other and silently think,
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