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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by daniel, Feb 12, 2010.

  1. Darwood

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    My wife manages a resteraunt and you guys have no idea how bad some of the customers are that those resteraunts have to deal with. Dine and dashers...people who eat 80% of the meal and then complain so they don't have to pay...People who stage accidents angling for a lawsuit...people who come in already drunk and make an nice person of themselves.
    And through all that, the managers have to rely on servers to keep everyone happy...Even if they are only 18 and this is their first job.
     
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    I HAVE been a waitress, I've also worked as a pizza delivery person. Men get better tips in both professions.

    This is how I KNOW it's never a good idea to send your food back.
    No matter what.
    I have left a restaurant before with my food completely uneaten because they failed to take my allergy seriously.

    I paid the bill and left.

    Trust me, there is never a good enough reason to send the food back..... :nono:

    We got to explain to my son why we still left a tip. He didn't understand that the waitress bringing us the food was not the one responsible for how burnt it was.

    Bless his heart, he is so used to "mom's restaurant" at home he didn't realize she wasn't cooking it too!
     
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    I have a hard time believing that men get better tips in pizza delivery. Don't most poeple have the payment all ready for when the pizza arrives? And hence the tip was already determined (provided you're not late). I know I don't fish for the money after they arrive, but maybe I'm underestimating how many poeple do.

    I agree on the server tips though. But I'd wager a bet that the discrepancy between male and female tips is less than the discrepancy for attractive vs. unattractive servers.
     
  4. daniel

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    I've read that a server who manages unobtrusively to touch the customers will over time get larger tips. For example, a light touch on the arm. But it must be done in a way that seems natural.

    My tipping rule for myself: Never less than $5 if I've eaten a full meal at a cheap restaurant where 20% of the check would be less than $5. Multiply that by the number of people if I'm picking up the tab for a group. If I'm paying and someone else offers to pay the tip I suggest they add whatever they like to the tip I'm leaving, because otherwise they might leave less than my standard. If I'm at a restaurant but I'm not eating, because they have nothing I want or can eat, I'll leave $2 for taking up space at the table. If 20% of the bill is more than $7 or $8 and there was nothing special about the service I'll drop down to 15%. For really good service I'll give more than all the above numbers. For especially bad service I would give less. But it's never happened. Maybe because I smile at the server.

    And now a brief rant:

    Why the fowling bunny do people think that tips should be a percentage of the check, regardless of the cost of the meal??? Do they really think it's less work to serve you a $5 meal than a $100 meal??? If you order a $250 bottle of wine, does the server work harder than if you order a $7 bottle of wine??? If anything, servers at cheap restaurants probably work harder than servers at fancy restaurants because the cheap restaurant probably has fewer servers.
     
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    "Why the fowling bunny do people think that tips should be a percentage of the check, regardless of the cost of the meal??? Do they really think it's less work to serve you a $5 meal than a $100 meal??? If you order a $250 bottle of wine, does the server work harder than if you order a $7 bottle of wine??? If anything, servers at cheap restaurants probably work harder than servers at fancy restaurants because the cheap restaurant probably has fewer servers. "

    Excellent Rant! Though there is a spread between the servers hired by the fancy place vs. the servers at a cheap place. In general, the servers at the nice place do have more server experience. But the spread in tips based on % of the bill IS much to extreme. 2$ vs. $20 is too much.
     
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    Why should I even tip for lunch? The owner of my lunch service certainly has that covered in the price of the goods, right? I mean, it's not like there is great service or anything. On the other hand, I do like being able to get my own refills and seconds. Hmmm...maybe I should start tipping at lunch. Now, where do I find the tip slot in these vending machines?
     
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    Walk by this way on your way back so that I can pinch you. ;)

    My wife once called a customer an a$$hole when he picked up his partner's tip. The restaurant owner, hearing about it, said "Good for you!" On another occasion she dropped an entire stack of dishes. I think there may be a reason that her waitressing days are over.

    Do you remember the "bump or pour" movie scene?

    Tom
     
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    "My wife once called a customer an a$$hole when he picked up his partner's tip."

    WOW. At my wife's resteraunt, that'd be grounds for immediate termination. Even mentioning anything to do with a tip other than "thank you" is STRICTLY forbidden.
    No snarky comments or even asking if their service was not up to par... nothing. Keep it to yourself till your back in the wait corridor.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    My wife has a feisty side to her personality. This can be a problem when dealing with the public. The incident referred to above went like this: A four-top of twenty-something men had finished dinner. They had been flirty, she had been attentive, and being cute, she was expecting a nice tip. One of the patrons left her a nice tip - she saw him leave it as they were leaving. Shortly after, one of the other men came back and picked up the tip. She said "Hey, that's not yours."

    He replied "Well, maybe, but the service wasn't that good, so I'm taking it."

    To which she replied "And maybe you're an donkey too."

    Yikes. You *really* don't want to get her riled.

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    Rat bastard. :mad:

    I would not have been that nice. Knowing me, I would have went outside and told his friend what he did:

    "Excuse me sir, I saw the tip you left me and I just wanted to thank you. I am a single mother, working my way through graduate school so every little extra that a nice person like you leaves, enables me to better care for my kids.
    Unfortunatly, your friend there took it after your back was turned. He clearly thinks he needs your money more than I do. For his sake, I hope you paid for lunch.
     
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    Isn't taking a tip meant for someone else stealing?
     
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    I would say so. If the waitress had taken money out of his pocket he'd have had her thrown in jail. Stealing her tip is exactly the same. She should have called the cops and had him arrested!

    If I saw someone other than the server pick up a tip I'd left, I'd call him a thief to his face, and since "thief" doesn't sound harsh enough, I'd probably call him an arsonist, a child molester, and a sheep-f***er besides.

    I understand a policy on saying nothing about tips. But you've got a damn right to speak up when you are robbed. The owner sure as hell would speak up if a customer walked out without paying. What if a customer stole a tip from a different table? Would the owner still say the waitress had to take that silently? Sheesh!

    Of course, there's a simple solution to this:

    A goddamned living wage for everybody! Make the goddamned restaurant owners pay servers $25 an hour, and make the goddamned customers pay accordingly for the food they are too lazy to cook for themselves at home. Then a tip can be something you give for uncommon service, knowing the server is being paid a fair wage for good service.

    I can hear the whining already: "If they paid servers a fair wage I wouldn't be able to have people wait on me hand and foot for peanuts, and we Americans have a god-given right to pay servants peanuts and horse p***. That's what servants are for and servers shouldn't think they deserve to be treated better than servants. Most of them are illegal aliens anyway and just because they're breaking their backs working 12 hours a day doesn't mean they have a right to a decent wage. Hey, if you're a server you should be grateful we don't send you back to Mexico."

    Well, to the whiners I say [deleted by the mods even before I was sure myself what I was going to say]. So there!

    (Damn good thing this is the rants and trolls thread. :D )
     
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    In New Zealand, this is the custom. They do not tip and they pay service people a living wage. We tried to tip a taxi driver because he gave us a lot of good info on the local area (Rotorua) and he wouldn't accept it.
     
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    I, too, have waited tables. I grew up in the industry, as my parents owned a restaurant.

    In my case, tips were all I got. Period.

    We tend to "over tip"... unless the server is surly, in which case I'll either not tip or we'll tip EXACTLY 10%, depending on how surly. I've been known to tip chefs/cooks, as well, by handing it to the manager, and telling him/her "this is for our cook". As a Vegan, I often have special orders in restaurants, and a good cook will be rewarded :p

    What I really hate is restaurants/hotels/cruise ships that cannot fathom how to leave animal products out of simple dishes, like salads! Just don't add cheese and meat, okay? How hard can that be?!??!!
     
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    Most of the places I go these days do get it. Of course, it's a lot easier now that I eat fish. A place I've been a couple of times in Mexico, and will return to, the entire menu is ovo-lacto-vegetarian plus fish, but it would be easy to be vegan there, because the dairy is usually on the side, and when the main course is fish, there's always a non-fish option. (And they will cater to special needs such as allergies or strict vegan.) And one of the dolphin places I go to on Bimini Island, there's usually one meat or fowl dish, and everything else is vegetarian. On the dive boat I was on, as well as the hiking lodges I go to, special food needs are always respected.

    When I became a vegetarian, though, there was nothing I could eat outside my own home. For twenty years I never ate at a restaurant or a friend's home.
     
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    What's going on with what looks like a bunch of trolls that we picked up today? I haven't been on PC for very long today but these guys seem pretty suspect already: the $4K fan guy, a VW TDI fanboy and the whistling guy...

    Have the trolls all been slain before I return home from work on other days?
     
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    There's been a rash of them recently. I think someone left the gate open.

    Tom
     
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    The gate was always open. But someone is pointing people to it with a list of talking points.
     
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    Oh, great, I've been FOUND OUT! I go to downtown Denver and solicit homeless to log on at the library and post as trolls just to get a rise out of the Toyota Worshipers:

    :hail: TOYOTA

    It's been costing me hundreds in cheap wine and crack to get these losers to get on-line! I write them scripts to follow to get maximum effect. They MUST use at least four code themes from the list to get paid:

    TROLL SUBJECT LIST

    Toyotas are less green than Hummers
    Toyoda would personally kill Americans for profit
    UAW members alter Toyota throttles at night
    The President was scared by a Toyota as a child
    Congress is paid by GM to kill competitors
    The Prius brake pedal isn't attached to anything
    I get 89 MPG from my Hummer - how about your Prius?
    Prius is solely responsible for Global Warming
    Spy pics of Toyota Plug-in Hybrid Main Battle Tank

    I plan to launch a new campaign of trolling using the staff of the mental hospital I live in - uh, I visit occasionally - uh, I mean, I know someone who knows someone who...
     
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    Actually I think you were only a partial player in this scheme. The real brains behind the anti-Toyota campaign was this guy!

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