LA Times: Toyota's Fix is a Bust...

we have the data that Toyota spent 1.8k on incentives in Feb while GM and Ford spent 3.3k... so stop spreading the FUD please.

 

Accordidng to the mavens at GMI....Fleet sales in Feb
Ford 40%
GM 32%
Toyota 13%

Normal, Normal and Normal.... nothing to see here, move on.

 

If that's that case then the poor souls in the Midwest being down 50-75% bore the brunt of the entire loss for the whole country. Think about this for a minute...seriously.

Toyota sales for the whole country were down 9% for the month.

According to your numbers ( which I think that you pulled out of your a**, as is typical of younger posters - no research and no thought ) the Midwest stores were down 50-75%. That would indicate that every store outside the Midwest was like us, at par or even above par. I doubt it. Peddle that youngster trash to other people who don't have an ounce of analysis in them.

 

Levity...

 

My guess of the problem--the Engine Control Unit (ECU) not cutting off the throttle or fuel supply properly during deceleration--means that Toyota may have to replace millions of ECUs around the world to really fix the problem. And that fix is so costly that it would require financial assistance from governmental agencies to foot the bill--a cost that could approach US$10 billion.

 

I don't have verified evidence yet, but I have heard that Toyota sales to rental car companies were 25-30% of their total.

I hope I don't get in trouble for this, here is evidence you want:

Region - MTD Dealer Sales Ranking

03/01/2010 100% of Month Complete Ranked By:​

TOTAL Selection Type: Combined Toyota/Scion Sales​

Chicago​

MONTH-TO-DATE YEAR-TO-DATE​

RANK

DLR
#
DEALER NAME PCAR LTTRUCK TOTAL RANK
DLR
#
DEALER NAME PCAR LTTRUCK TOTAL
1 12144 LIBERTYVILLE TOYOTA 50 50 100 1 22030 RUDY LUTHER TOYOTA 109 92 201​

2 22041 BURNSVILLE TOYOTA 50 45 95 2 22035MAPLEWOOD TOYOTA 99 96 195​

3 48007 SMART TOYOTA 49 45 94 3 48030WILDE TOYOTA 85 101 186​

4 22030 RUDY LUTHER TOYOTA 60 32 92 4 12144 LIBERTYVILLE TOYOTA 92 92 184​

4 22048WALSER BLOOMINGTONTOYOTA 69 23 92 5 12090 TOYOTA OF NAPERVILLE 108 75 183
6 12090 TOYOTA OF NAPERVILLE 47 44 91 6 48007 SMART TOYOTA 98 83 181​

First column is Feb 2nd is year to date these are the top 6 in Chicago Region.
I can email you the whole report. Now lets see some evidence that the dealers in your region were really up?​

 

I'm glad that you were able to read those numbers, because I have no idea why there are 3 after each dealer name and two columns.

On the upside: you can get 20% off a garage door
http://priuschat.com/forums/freds-house-pancakes/77251-toyota-owners-only-20-off-garage-doors.html

 

No, you don't.

 

I do, how would you like to be at one of the stores I posted online. Say it takes 200 units to break even and you sold less than 100. Would you like to lose quarter million/month?

 

You are crying crocodile tears. Admit it.

 

I do have one pretty good friend that invested a ton of money 3 years ago and is getting killed financially.

 

There is something that really puzzles me about all this "unintended acceleration" buzz. Every single report of this issue I ever heard of was coming from the U.S. There are *many* Toyotas driving all over the world, all with the same firmware in their ECUs. If there really is a firmware issue, as many people claim, why don't we ever hear of "unintended acceleration" stories from Japan, from Europe, from Asia or - to put it simple - from the rest of the world? That's why I tend not to believe all this crap (or at least most of it), although I don't dismiss the issue completely. But I am convinced that it is at least *much* exaggregated.

Please, correct me if I am wrong and let me know if you are aware of any "runaway Toyotas" outside of the U.S. I myself never seen nor heard of any such reports.

 

So ... malorn's post was just Chicago. His cut & paste had the top part in white originally:

Chicago​

MONTH-TO-DATE YEAR-TO-DATE​

RANK

DLR
#
DEALER NAME PCAR LTTRUCK TOTAL RANK
DLR
#
DEALER NAME PCAR LTTRUCK TOTAL
1 12144 LIBERTYVILLE TOYOTA 50 50 100 1 22030 RUDY LUTHER TOYOTA 109 92 201​

 

Thanks, Patrick. But, as the report clearly says, there are 134 reports overall, 38 of those are involving Toyotas (which is 28%) and Toyota's market share is also about 28%. So this really does not convince me that Toyota's runaway problems are any worse than those of any other automaker.

 

its the chicago region, looks like Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Indiana.

 

Well, we seem to have gone from operator error to Toyota's problems aren't any worse than those of any other automaker.... At least the problems are no longer being dismissed as stupid operators.

Toyota still has a problem on its hands that will require more than accelerator pedal modifications.