Visiting a 2001 Prius

no you will need 38 gen 2 modules!

 

thats nice good!!!

 

Hi Bob & FWD,

I realize that the Re-InVolt Classic battery has 38 modules and will weigh around the same as the original equipment battery.

What I meant to ask was that the 2G traction battery should weigh around ~75% of the Classic traction battery, since the former has fewer modules. Do you agree?

 

The term "full charge" is misleading.

The Gen 1 battery pack will not see 100% charge during normal operation.

Four bars does not indicate 100% charge.

 

Yes, I understand that means ~80% state of charge, just as no bars means <=40% SOC.

However, it is "100%" from the point of view that the gauge won't read any higher.

 

It would have been easy for someone to read your previous post, in which you had posed the question:

and incorrectly infer that 100% SOC can be attained by the Gen 1 battery under normal conditions.

 

The Echo and Corolla both cost thousands less than the Prius in 2001.

The important thing is that the owner is happy with their car.

 

Good work Bob.

You are a true gentleman.

 

That's all well and good, but if you give them funny numbers, and they catch it, they are much less likely to be impressed.

You had stated that a ~$100 per year savings is achieved by driving a Prius that gets a rebuilt battery at 250K than by driving a Toyota Echo for the same mileage over the same amount of time.

While most folks don't keep a car for ten years or 250K miles, those that do may note:

2001 Prius MSRP: $19,995

2001 Echo MSRP: $12,000 if you really loaded it up

With the Prius selling at a ~$7K to 8K premium over the Echo, the ~$100 per year savings is more than erased by the ~$700-800 per year initial cost premium, not including the cost of financing.

The Echo will have slightly higher maintenance costs than the Prius, but nothing to overcome the MSRP.

 

The 2004-2009 Prius info doesn't apply to your comparison of a 2001 Prius with a 2001 Echo.

 

If the topic is total cost of ownership (now opened in another thread) then the similarities among Prius models is much more important than their differences.

I'd fully expect all Prius models (except perhaps the NHW10) to do very well in depreciation, fuel cost and maintenance costs. All data I have seen for Prius supports this. These are the categories where different car models can offer different TCO.

Except insurance, should one select a car model that is red lined there.

 

Hi Doug,

This had been true until recently. NHW20 models have taken a pretty big depreciation hit with the introduction of ZVW30, bad publicity, ~700K units produced over six model years, etc.

For example, take a 2007 Prius package #3, MSRP of $25,350. Three years later, and having logged only 18,600 miles, KBB dealer trade-in value ranges from $13K - $15K.
2007 Toyota Prius - Trade In Value, blue book value - Kelley Blue Book=

 

You are almost certainly correct in that assumption.

No one in this thread suggested that anyone do that.

But you don't have to be a millionaire to go to a Toyota dealer.

No. On his initial visit, he concluded that the battery pack was marginal. However, he was unable to condemn it. The battery pack failed soon afterward. But had he understood the system, he could have performed a comprehensive HV battery test using only his miniscanner gadget and the owner's printed service information.

And although his device apparently cannot read freeze frames, it is possible that a quick look at that information would have made even the correct battery test unnecessary. His solution, however, was to erase that information, although there was no benefit in doing so.

Actually, it's a wee bit more complicated than that.

Again, this vehicle could have been diagnosed correctly the first time, using only the equipment at hand.