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Infiniti "Blind Spot Intervention"--Will Toyota please compete?

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by kgall, Apr 6, 2010.

  1. kgall

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    Saw the ad for Infiniti's new "Blind Spot Intervention System" on the NCAA basketball games this weekend. Here's something from their website, found by a Google search:

    Infiniti Global - All-New 2011 Infiniti M Makes World Debut along ...
    Greater than the sum of its parts, Infiniti's next-generation, flagship sedan features sculpted styling, advanced Blind Spot Interventionâ„¢ system and choice ...
    www.infiniti.com/.../infiniti.../2009-12-18-2011-m-updated-gsedan - Cached

    If it works, I think it's a great idea. Anyone out there tried it?

    Is Toyota planning to compete or to license the system? With the huge blind spots on the Prius (which I've said several times is its worst feature), I hope they will.

    If possible and the price was reasonable, I might even buy a retrofit.
     
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    Volvo has a blind spot system for a few years now.
     
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    Thanks. How well does it work?
     
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    Yeah I believe Volvo was one of the first, if not the first with their BLIS (Blind spot Lane Information System). It works decently well on the S80 that i tried.


    Again, I would still adjust the mirrors properly as a best practice but I can definitely see this as a safety feature because even with my mirrors adjusted properly, people surprise me and I still can be caught off guard (i.e. car in the next lane out of nowhere...
     
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    You can eliminate the blind spots completely by adjusting your side view mirrors properly, but all this technology will do is cause drivers to stop checking for cars by turning their heads (much like backup camera) as a result of risk homeostasis.
     
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    I don't think those people shoulder check anyway. If anything, this feature helps prevent them from crashing/side-swiping us due to their laziness.
     
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    I haven't managed to eliminate the blind spot on the Prius through manipulating mirrors as well as I've thought I've been able to do on my earlier cars.

    I don't disagree with the idea that protections against risk sometimes have their own risks (including the possibility that having a safety backup may make me less careful)--but, overall, safety measures increase safety.
    In the US, when I was a kid, we had under 200m people, many fewer cars, much less driving, and about 50,000 road deaths a year. Today, we on average drive faster on the highway, have many more passenger miles accumulated per year, and about 10,000 fewer highway deaths per year. I say this is largely due to safer cars and roads. (And things like anti-drunk driving campaigns have helped too.)
     
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    This statement puzzles me seeing as it is coming from a person that has a Prius V that has back-up camera, radar cruise control, lane keep assist and can park itself. Does that make you lazy as well? Do you consider yourself lazy?

    Only one of those features will directly keep you from crashing into another car (radar cruise control). LKA is good as well (but only if the highway is clearly marked), the rest of the features on your car are purely for convenience. Should we be worried about your driving? :)

    The infiniti system is much more than the volvo blis, it helps move the car back to the center of the lane if you are going to crash into something in your blind spot.
     
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    I didn't say anything about being lazy and it has nothing to do with it. It's simply an unintended consequence of shifting risk. Risk homeostasis helps explain why, for example, the number of ER visits increased after the motorcycle and bicycle helmet laws were passed. It also explains why in martial arts, there are far more injuries from performing less dangerous techniques than more dangerous techniques (because students tend to be more careful in executing the latter).
     
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    Then you yourself should be the first victim of "risk homeostasis". a person truly believes in "risk homeostasis", then there should be no safety features of any kinds, street lights, cross walks, safeties on guns etc, because the safety features would lead to more injuries than they prevent. that person sure would not pay 5k to have more features that would lead them to their deaths.

    Correlation is not causation. Motorcycle popularity exploded right before and continued after the introduction of helmet laws. Where Motorcycles became owned by lesser skilled motorcyclists, also the mean age of motorcyclist increased (slower reaction time).

    Again Martial arts was not always main stream, was only performed by well trained individuals, trained from birth by only the highest qualified teachers. They trained every day, all day. not go to the dojo in their free weekends. So you expect that the weekend warrior trained by another weekend warrior not expect injuries? Injuries happen when unqualified individuals try something that is best left to qualified individuals.

    Wilde was a crack pot and was proven wrong along to ago that the said anecdotal evidence could never be replicated in any data collected by any agency, university or independent third party
     
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    Not necessarily, because the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. Safety features will still save lives even though people drive faster, corner harder, etc. Even a back-up camera will dramatically reduce the risk of backing deaths while at the same time increase the risk of not catching obstacles outside of the back-up camera view.

    That's really beside the point. I'm a martial artist. Even within the same technique, I've seen less injuries from performing a more "dangerous" variation of it. Students tend to be more careful/move slower in performing these variations compared to the less "dangerous" versions.
     
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    Then that's not "risk homeostasis". Wilde's theory, which i studied in adult behavior psychology, really boils down to not matter what safety features are implemented people will act more dangerous to negate ANY possible "safety"/reduced risk gained from that feature. That wiki article is really skimpy on info, but it did have his famous abs study.
     
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    I don't agree with all aspects of Wilde's theory, but shifting risk is a real phenomenon and I simply call it "risk homeostasis" for lack of a better term. I see it in my martial arts studies and it helps explain why helmet wearing-motorcyclists/bicyclists/skateboarders take on more risk and behave less carefully than they would have otherwise. Let me know if there is a better term to describe this phenomenon.
     
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    32k, you could also use "false sense of security" (which happens to a small population of SUV owners for example). I don't know if that's exactly what you're talking about but it seems like it from what I've read. I think it makes sense. You think it's safe so you take less precautions.