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mileage tips under challenging circumstances

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by draheim, Apr 2, 2010.

  1. draheim

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    [I'm the OP] Wow, thanks for all the great advice. I got very busy over the past week so wasn't able to check for replies until now. It sounds like most of the solutions involve spending considerable $; at this point I don't know that it's worth the investment to increase MPG by 10-20%... will need to do more research based on your suggestions to decide if any of these things would be practical. As for the suggestion to buy a Leaf or other all-electric, no thanks - I still may go on occasional extended roadtrips to remote parts of BC or Idaho or Montana, so the hybrid technology still gives me that flexibility. I'm still thrilled with this car, even if I'm not getting 50+ MPG. I know that my old car was probably only getting about 20 MPG w/ the same commuting pattern, so I have still cut my carbon footprint at least in half.
     
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    IMHO, you should definitely try all the free suggestions and block the grille when the weather's cold (like now) since that's really cheap.

    I don't know how much variance there can be in your trips, but if any is possible, per Beating the EPA - The Why’s and How to Hypermile - CleanMPG Forums (and many other guides)
     
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    Look at the PC thread ... MAX MPG driving tips video .... excellent, and most drivers will learn something that will enable them to achieve better mileage.
     
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    Wow - 37 MPG is really low. I'd give it another month or so to see if you mileage changes at all, and if not, might have the dealer look at the car (>>>or ask to borrow a dealer Prius for a couple of days to see if it gets the same mileage, or something better<<<).

    Even when I drive around on a series of quick trips in the middle of winter, I get 48+ MPG so I don't really buy the "too many short trips" story. My car warms up to operating temperature within a 1/2 mile or so. I find it hard to believe that it is issue.

    I'd suggest a few tips - tire pressure at 42-45 PSI, driving tips for getting more out of the traction battery, etc, however - those types of things take my short trip mileage from 48 MPG to 60+, so I'm not sure that is what you are looking at.

    I'd take the attitude - it's just not my fault - and put it back on the dealer to either prove your habits will only get 37 MPG, or there is something wrong with the car.
     
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    I increased tire pressure to 42F, 40R last week and am now averaging around 43 MPG in the city. Was up to around 47 this weekend. Mileage definitely improves on longer stretches once the engine gets warm. I think the Seattle hills (lots of 7-10% grades, and some probably closer to 15%) and endless stop-and-go traffic is more the culprit than the possibility that I got a lemon - but I'm not ruling that out. Plus there are times I can either accelerate with the traffic around me or slowly speed up to 30 MPH while holding up drivers behind me. I opt for going with traffic even if that means I have to go into PWR mode for a short burst. I know how much I hate getting stuck behind someone who doesn't observe the speed limit, and I refuse to be that guy just because of the kind of car I own.
     
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    OP: When I have some more time, I might be able to show you my ScanGauge in operation in my Gen II since I don't live THAT far from you, if you're curious.

    Unfortunately, none of the XGauges from the Gen II work in the Gen III and it's a real pain to enter additional ones or clear out values from my solicited gauges, as a precaution (as I'd need to re-enter all of those again). Otherwise, I'd plug it into yours too...
     
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    Thanks cwerdna - I'm real busy too but will let you know. Meanwhile I just posted another thread with more concrete data about my typical commute; hopefully replies to that one will help me determine exactly what I can realistically expect given the constants related to my situation.
     
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    I don't "skip" the warm up steps as that would not be possible without a temperature hack, but I extend the warm-up period by using my EV button. After starting up my prius it almost always takes 20-25 seconds until I'm allowed to use the button. This is coming from a cold start. The engine has to be around 110F before it will engage EV mode. I will accelerate to 30-33 and the put it into EV mode to glide. Rinse and repeat. Usually takes an extra 5 mins to get to S4 but I almost always get 50 mpg in the first 5 min block as opposed to 25mpg. This is during ambient temp of around 65F. There is no risk in damaging my engine, battery, etc is there?