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Please help! 2002 prius P3125 inf 304&307

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  1. liteguy87

    liteguy87 2002 prius owner

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    Hi everyone! Here is my story...

    I bought a 2002 prius knowing it wasn't running. The seller told me it should just need a new HV battery, but he wasn't sure. I successfully rebuilt the battery using modules from gen2 batteries.

    I was able to start the car after I fixed the battery (MG1 turned the engine and the engine started). It yielded the codes p3100 and p3125... which is the HV ECU and Inverter. The vehicle would only crawl about 2-4 mph on a flat surface and the 12v battery wouldn't charge. I replaced the HV ECU and the p3100 code dissapeared. I then replaced the inverter. The inverter did fix my battery charge problem... but not the 'crawling' car problem. I thoroughly tested the wire harness between the HV ECU and inverter as the p3125 diagnostic charts suggested.

    Still with no luck, I towed the car to toyota so they could pull the INF codes with their nifty $12k scanner. The codes were p3125: inf 304 and 307... which both point to motor gates and current values.

    304: "Motor gate shut-down signal line malfunction"
    307: "Motor current value malfunction"

    I'm not a 100% sure what these mean or what the problem is pointing to.

    Its also interesting to note that a p3000 code came up while at toyota. INF 388, which says the battery drained while the car is in neutral.

    This all sounds to me like a problem with MG2 since the vehicle only crawls and the 'motor current' issue... but there isn't any DTCs pointing to the transaxle.

    Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated!

    The dealer's diagnostic was to replace the battery... but I think that is BS. I should also note that I'm a complete novice... I have never worked with a hybrid prior to this prius, nor have I done any diagnostics on a vehicle before this one.

    Thanks Everyone!
    I appreciate your help!
     
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    Where did you get the modules that you used to rebuild the battery pack?
     
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    Inf code 307=P3125
    inf code 304=p3125 page 240 of enclosed pdf all point to convertor/invertor assembly, wire harness, hv ecu. When checking the wire harness ur looking for a resistance of 1 ohm or less.

    Another thing to check is the tightness of the female pins in the wiring harness, keep in mind that someone was at this car before you, you need to get a male pin of the same tickness and width, possible from another wiring loom and slide it into each female connection on the loom connected with this dtc. I have had problems with loom pins before.
     

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    From Vol. 1, Toyota Repair Manual, Diagnostics, DI-288 to DI-289:

    "304 - +B short in motor gate shutdown signal circuit" (DI-289)
    This is over a circuit diagram showing:
    M-SDOWN 4 (I9), yellow wire to HV ECU MSDN 13(H11)
    Their inspection procedure says to "Check for open, short and +B short in wire harness between HV ECU MSDN terminal & inverter assembly M-SDOWN terminals."

    "Confirm that there is no open circuit in the wire harness. The motor gate shutdown signal circuit has +B short if the battery voltage is always applied to the HV ECU MSDN terminal with the ignition on."

    "307 - Abnormal current value of motor" - "The HV ECU detects the malfunction of the motor inverter current sensor. It detects the malfunction of the sensor system, not of the high voltage system."

    The Inspection Procedure, if other codes are reported, fix them first.

    Both codes are pointing to the yellow wire from the inverter, pin 4, connector I9 to pin 13, H11 on the HV ECU.

    GOOD LUCK!
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  5. liteguy87

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    I used modules from two wrecked 05's. I used all the modules from one that had 38k miles and the other 10 modules can from one of unknown mileage... but was estimated under 100k.

    Thanks!
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion! I did do a little fooling with the harness before I took it to toyota. None of the harness between the inverter and HV ECU had and ground shorts and none of the wires had continuity between them. I guess a next good step would be to check the resistance in the wire. All of the connections seem snug.. I guess I'll try checking continuity on both sides of the connecter for the mentioned pin.

    Thanks!
     
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    Did the technician clear codes after reading them, and verify that P3125 came back?

    Re: P3000 - your HV battery may be at fault, but it's hard to say without additional data.

    Does the screen show that the battery is charging? If so, what's the level?
     
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    The screen does show the battery charging. The code that accompanied p3000 just said that the battery was draining while in neutral. The battery does not drain while the car is off.

    I have a little OBDII scanner and was able to clear the code, but It comes back as soon as I try to move the car.
     
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    Thanks again everyone for your help! Sorry I havn't been responding with any progress or ideas of my own... I've been in some very involved training the last four weeks far from home and havn't had access to a place to work on the prius outside of a hotel parking lot. I am now in Atlanta... no longer in florida for a new job... I will hopefully have some updates in another week or so.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestions. I checked the referenced wire. It is not grounding out. It reads between 6-7v while in the "ON" position and about 7-8v while the engine is running. I can give more exact voltages if needed (didn't write them down). I checked these voltages at both ends. I checked the resistance between both sides of the connector and didn't see any resistance so the connectors on the inverter side are good.

    I'm guessing the diagnostics are pointing to the inverter/converter assembly if the wire harness checks. I'm guessing "motor gate" is referencing an assembly inside the converter. Is the "motor current inverter sensor" located inside the inverter or somewhere in the transaxle?

    Its strange that I would have two inverter assemblies with the same part# have exactly the same problem. (I didn't get any inf. codes for the first inverter, but the symptoms are the same): Tops out at about 9mph in a level parking lot after about minute. (almost non-existant acceleration)



     
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    OWCH!

    Check the connector at the HV ECU? Look for a bent or missing pin. The only remaining part is the HV ECU itself. Check with the TomFreed messages as I think there is some sort of 30 minute sync required.

    The voltage values seem a little high. It may take a day or so but I'll see if I can read the same signal from my NHW11. Most of the sensors I've dealt with were in the 0-5 V range. I didn't see anything in the manual showing the expected voltage range.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    The code indicates a short to power (B+ meams battery positive), not a short to ground.

    It's a communication line, with pulsed signals. You are reading an average.

    You would need a scope to read the true values.

    That, or the HV ECU. But you aren't at that point yet.

    It is inside the inverter assembly, which Toyota sometimes refers to as an inverter/converter.

    It's inside the inverter, as well. But you don't need to worry about that yet. Abnormal current values show up with many problems. Focus on the B+ short issue.

    Many folks confuse the symptoms of a fail-safe mode with symptoms directly caused by the issue that triggered by the fail-safe mode.

    You may have received advice based on that assumption; however, they are not the same.
     
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    I did check the connector for any missing/bent pins and looked specifically at position 13. I replaced the HV ECU a while ago because the car was generating a dtc related to it. I did jump the OBDII connector to put it in diagnostic mode to get the ECUs to talk to each other.

     
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    Thanks for all the great info. I'm still pretty novice when it comes to this and I'll still a little confused. What would be my next logical step? I wouldn't know how to interperet the readings on the scope if I did get one. Does anyone know of any independant Prius shops in Atlanta?

     
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    With the ignition key OFF and out of the ignition switch, disconnect the HV ECU harness connectors as well as the inverter harness connectors, and check for continuity between the affected wire and any other wire in the HV ECU to inverter harness. This takes patience.

    Don't jam the meter probes in the terminals, or you'll open them up and create another problem.
     
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    I did try this already... none of the wires have continuity to any other wire.


     
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    There are three possible issues: inverter, wiring harness, and hybrid vehicle ECU. You've replaced both parts already and done your best to check the wiring harness. How confident are you that the inverter you had installed is good?

    If you are not confident in the inverter, the next step would be to either purchase and install another salvage inverter for ~$400. Or, find another Classic Prius that works, and swap your inverter and HV ECU into it to verify the parts are good. Or seek professional assistance. Good luck.
     
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    Any other wire in the harness, or any other wire, period?
     
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    I checked against every wire within the harness going to the inverter.


     
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    My intuition suggests that the inverter is bad. I'm thinking the common symptoms between the two inverters is probably just the failsafe. Toyota told me the problem was the battery, but I rebuilt it two weeks previous with gen2 modules... I honestly think the dealership was just trying to sell me things because it was modified. I didn't get any error codes related to the battery other than the one that states the battery drained while in neutral... but thats because the dealership was running the car in neutral for an hour with headlights on and A/C full blast (doesn't charge traction battery in neutral, but dc-dc converter still charges 12v= drain.)

    I'm seeking professional help through some certified techs on justanswers.com but they seem stumped with-out hands on. Toyota wont touch it until I replace the battery... so I'm trying to find independant shops in Atlanta.

    I think my next step will be a third inverter.