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Can the "B" setting help with the P&G 41 mph limit?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by dabize, May 2, 2010.

  1. dabize

    dabize New Member

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    Had a strange experience today.

    I was using P&G on a mildly hilly route I know well with 35-40 mph limits and relatively few stops. Most traffic drives a bit faster than 40, though.

    Some background When I have cars behind me, and they are reasonably polite, it is my custom to raise my P&G rang to 35-48 mph, so as not to be a nuisance. I simply allow the yellow arrows to appear over 41 MPH, and adjust my accelerator pedal so that the "no arrows" condition appears automatically as I pass 41 on my way to 35. Sometimes I see the "yellow+orange arrows, 99.9" as I ease off to start the higher speed glide - I read somewhere here that this is a desirable setting, not quite sure why.

    This practice doesn't seem to cost me too in my FE, as I've been getting 57-58 (tanks average) and 60+ (dash readout) since I started doing it.

    Today, however, I started doing this and found that I was getting the "no arrows" at 45 mph instead of at 41 (or 40)! Also, I was getting the 99.9 mpg yellow/orange. I thought it must be the heat (today has been the first really hot day (90+) of the spring) until I saw that I had accidentally put my 09 Prius on the "B" setting.

    Normally I avoid "B" sedulously unless I am descending Mt Washington or something similarly extreme, since the regenerative braking (green arrows) is lost.

    But why should this raise the "glide" limit to 45 MPH? It didn't feel as if engine braking was kicking in at that point, (I compared it to a real EB situation at lower speeds, where I could really tell the difference).

    Also, when I checked my MPG for the trip, it looked very good indeed.....although this might have been due to the high ambient temperature.

    Could it be that I found a way to slay the dragon that guards 41 MPH, or did I just reinvent a way of siphoning off my momentum without the monitor seeing it, courtesy of the "B" setting?
     
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    firepa63 Former Prius Owner

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    Using the "B" mode is less efficient that leaving the car in "D".
     
  3. Philosophe

    Philosophe 2010 Prius owner

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    Only when decelerating. If you keep the car in a "neutral" point with the gas pedal, B mode will not slow the car down.
     
  4. dabize

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    Well maybe it could work then, since that's exactly what I was doing - pulsing past the 41mph mark, and then setting up the "glide" in "B" mode at around 48, with the neutral "no arrows" appearing at 45 mph.

    Unless you mean "neutral" to be actually maintaining speed, rather than a deceleration (glide) that in "D" would be insufficient to set off regenerative charging of the battery.
     
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    Philosophe 2010 Prius owner

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    The former.
     
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    When should the B mode be used?
     
  7. Philosophe

    Philosophe 2010 Prius owner

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    There are at least 20 existing threads/answers to this question (search tool is your friend). Most will point to the excellent hobbit's article here.
     
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    You can get no arrows above 42mph, it's just a much narrower band to keep your foot in. B mode has no effect on this. The pink fuel arrow indicates that the car is consuming fuel, it doesn't tell you whether the engine is spinning (the engine can spin without consuming fuel). You'll also know from engine warm up that the car won't show the pink arrow if the wheels aren't turning, even if the engine is consuming fuel.

    Effectively you're still gliding if a tiny amount of electrical power is being consumed (yellow arrows, just past the point where it shows green arrows). Some call this 'Super Highway Mode'. However, the engine drag from being spun consumes a little energy - below 42mph it's completely stopped and doesn't consume anything - so it's not quite as efficient to P&G above 42mph.
     
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    What is B mode for?

    That was long and detailed and *too* technical. I still don't know what the B mode is for.
     
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    Re: What is B mode for?

    One sentence version?

    It's for stopping the car running away when going down a hill.

    It's the equivalent to selecting a low gear on a more conventional transmission.

    Hobbit's page covers the implementation of it and therefore what side-effects it has. Largely though I use it for the reason I gave above.
     
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    Philosophe 2010 Prius owner

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    Re: What is B mode for?

    Another try to summarize:

    B-mode uses the engine to disperse energy (revving the engine RPM), slowing the car down, instead of using only regenerative braking and friction braking, as usual.

    Only common use: to slow you down on a very long descent, instead of using the brakes (with regenerative braking first, until the battery is full, then heating your friction brakes).

    The rest of the time, using it will most probably impair your fuel economy.
     
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