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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by hyo silver, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    I'm hoping for some input here from some of the Toyota techs among us. How do you usually handle special requests from 'fussy' customers?

    I've read of many 'misunderstandings', and have experienced my own difficulties with service departments. More than once, a dealership has not performed work I asked to be done, and has done work I specifically requested they not do. For instance, I like to change my own oil, both for the experience of working on my own car and to save some money. Yet, sometimes when I take the car in for other things, they automatically do 'service number one' or whatever and do the oil change again, despite me specifically telling them not to. Having just shelled out the bucks for the good stuff, it's very annoying to have it replaced with the usual generic crap, and be charged extra for the privilege. I also request that my car not be washed, because they tend to use big scratchy brushes in a bucket of mud, and I don't like that.

    Is it me? I'm about to try dealership number three, and I'm wondering if I should be doing something differently. Should I put duct tape over the oil filler cap? A big note on the dash saying 'do not wash'? Am I being unreasonable in expecting my special requests to be communicated to the person actually doing the work?
     
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    If your dealership can't handle simple requests (which means they suck at customer satisfcation) simply find another dealer that knows how to treat a customer. Even the most picky requests deserve attention.
     
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    bisco cookie crumbler

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    whenever i go to any dealer or repair shop for service, we go over what i want done and they write it all down, or type. then i go over it and sign it if it is correct. pricing is already on there and it says they have to my approval for anything extra. no one has ever washed my car exceprt the auto body shop.
     
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    In most states in the US, they are required by law to get your pre-approval before performing any work that's not covered by warranty.

    I'd try another dealer, and start by calling first to speak to the service manager. Tell him about you displeasure with other dealership service departments, and that you'd like to give them a chance to earn your business (use those exact words!), and ask him to assign his best service adviser to you.

    Regarding washing, I tell them to not wash my car, and also put a sign on the dash--see attachment.
     

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  5. 2009Prius

    2009Prius A Wimpy DIYer

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    Just curious to know why not? I imagine they just spray water (no sponge) so no risk of scratching.
     
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    Hyo-silver is in Canada, they do things differently up there.
    For example, when you rent a car in Canada, they will go over every scratch and dent on the car.
    If you return the car with an extra scratch, you will have to pay. Basically they try to rob as much they can from you.
    I will photographic every scratch on the car before taking procession of the car as a record.
     
  7. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    No, they use big scratchy brushes on long handles, and a bucket of well-used very dirty water. At least they did at the one place I used to go. Let's just say I'm a tad fussier than that.

    No, you do things differently down there. ;)

    Some rental companies are less scrupulous than others. It's always a good idea to check the car for damage before you drive away. And the renter would be careless not to at least look it over when it comes back. If there's any damage, insurance should cover it.
     
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    Don't imagine. Watch them sometime.
     
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    Well, I just got the call with the diagnosis. Both CV joints are done, so with the scheduled service I'm looking at about two grand. Ouch!

    To be fair, the guys have been good so far - all my requests had been written down, and the service guy only had to hear the noise once to know what it was. So now my question is, why didn't the first guy, a year ago, know what he was doing? Would this have been covered under warranty if a proper diagnosis had been done the first time?

    Together with the earlier coil failure due to a design flaw, this vaunted Toyota reliability isn't what I expected. A well maintained, carefully driven car should not require thousands of dollars of repairs at only 50,000 miles.

    On the bright side, at least the wheel didn't fall off or seize on the highway. Which, with a failing CV joint, it could well have done anytime in the past year or so.

    edit: Oops. This should be in the Gen II forum, not III.
     
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    2009Prius A Wimpy DIYer

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    This is scary: both CV joints gone in mere 50K miles. :eek: Maybe they were attacked by the road salt in the winter?

    If you have written record of the dealer visit showing that the problem existed within warranty period then I think you may argue for coverage. Good luck!
     
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    paprius4030 My first Prius

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    Not to rub salt in your wound (sorry I couldn't resist) the people that poo-poo the extended warranty should read this. Some people think that a Toyota never needs repairs.
     
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    I just looked at my records for my 1988 Honda CRX Si and I had both CV joints replaced at 360,312 miles at a cost of $500.80, and that cost included an oil change.

    I know I had the CV boots replaced a couple times before the joints. If a boot tears, it allows the grease to escape, and accelerates the wear of the CV joint itself.
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    I'm just home with the car. The good news is that it feels much better - it's finally fixed. And the bill was 'only' $1,900, about $400 of which was labour. They did the pedal recall without charge.

    Yes, the first time I took it in with the same complaint was within the warranty period. You can be sure I will be contacting Toyota Canada about this, and other related issues. Turns out the other problem with the car - the $400 coil repair - was within two months of the warranty expiry, and well within the mileage limit. You'd think they'd be a bit more understanding, especially with a known design flaw for which a TSB was issued.

    And you'll never guess what else they did. Yup, they washed it.
     
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    Sounds like they charged full retail on the parts, which is what I'd expect. Were these the outer CV joints? Any idea what caused this early failure--on both sides?
     
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    I have the service writer write everything down, and I print a big note in block letters on yellow paper and put it under a wiper blade. So far, so good. Yes, dealers hereabouts use car washes with big ol' rotating fabric beaters. Ugh.
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    No, I don't. The CV boots were in good condition, and the car's never been in an accident. To answer an earlier speculation about salt use, that's really not a problem around here. It's not used often, and the car isn't usually on the road when it is.
     
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    I likee, especially the oil cap warning. I would tie on a tag to avoid cleaning up after duct tape, but the general idea is good. You could also tie a note to the cap sayng to use only 0W-20 Toyota oil or whatever you prefer if you do get it changed by the shop simians.