1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

ABG: Chevy Volt completes 1776-mile Freedom Drive in just 3 days; EVs can't match that

Discussion in 'Chevrolet Volt' started by cwerdna, Jul 7, 2010.

  1. cwerdna

    cwerdna Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2005
    12,544
    2,123
    1
    Location:
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Chevy Volt completes 1776-mile Freedom Drive in just 3 days; EVs can't match that — Autoblog Green links to Chevrolet Volt Completes 1776 Mile US Freedom Drive.

    One note that cracked me up is:
    :rolleyes:
    What's up with that? They can't say what they got on their trip? They're withholding it because it sucks? For competitive reasons? They need to do some computations first? They want to surprise us later, presumably, with a great result? They want to pull the "230 mpg" or some other high number BS again? He really can't say because figures haven't been finalized w/the EPA?
     
  2. austingreen

    austingreen Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    13,574
    4,114
    0
    Location:
    Austin, TX, USA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    N/A
    i suspect incompetence is the most likely reason. The second reason is likely that they are still deciding on software, and depending on how they use the batteries in charge sustaining mode they may increase battery life or increase efficiency. Another reason is they do not want to put out a low or high number until they know how the epa is going to test it. This avoids another set of articles like those written about the 230mpg rating. It also avoids the Leaf fiasco of putting out 100 mile range, but causing articles to be written that if you actually drive it the range is much lower since nissan used the bad old la4 test.
     
  3. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    108,912
    49,490
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    i thought they already did the leaf thing with their 230mpg number.:confused:
     
  4. SageBrush

    SageBrush Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    11,627
    2,530
    8
    Location:
    Southwest Colorado
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    I have no idea what "class" GM is referencing; but if compact is indeed the group, then doesn't the Honda Insight set the bar ?

    I'm more inclined to think that GM puts the Volt in the "E-Rev" class ;-)

    It is awfully pathetic that GM is advertising a long trip as a major milestone in the summer of 2010, 3 - 4 years after starting the media blitz and presumably less than half a year from the car in dealer showrooms. What next, AC ?
     
    1 person likes this.
  5. Zythryn

    Zythryn Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2008
    6,260
    4,258
    1
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    Other Electric Vehicle
    Model:
    N/A
    True an EV couldn't drive 1776 miles in three days.
    Luckily, since I don't have the NEED to drive 1776 miles in three days, I will be just fine with an EV:)
     
  6. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    14,487
    2,997
    0
    Location:
    Fort Lee, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Volt accelerates from 62 - 79 MPH in 10 seconds. I am pretty sure Prius can do it faster than that!

     
  7. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    Just saying "Freedom Drive" makes me want to wash my hands.
     
  8. drees

    drees Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    1,782
    247
    0
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Actually, the Tesla Roadster and Leaf should have no problem driving the same distance in the same amount of time, as long as the right charge stations are available. It would be very difficult to do that trip today even with some planning, but it will get easier once we start seeing some decent numbers of EVs on the road and demand for quick charge infrastructure goes up.

    That said - Eric Loveday @ ABG is a horrible writer.
     
  9. hill

    hill High Fiber Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2005
    19,884
    8,184
    54
    Location:
    Montana & Nashville, TN
    Vehicle:
    2018 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    Premium
    IT'S like saying ANY ICE can travel, if it gets fuel. It says and means nothing.

    .
     
  10. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    14,487
    2,997
    0
    Location:
    Fort Lee, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I can confirm Prius can do 62-79 MPH in 7 seconds on a flat highway. That's 3 seconds faster than the Volt. Can someone confirm with 2010 Prius?
     
  11. evnow

    evnow Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    816
    155
    0
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    N/A
    That is one of the stupidest headlines by ABG. Just 11% of that drive (max) was electric. Infact I'd say Prius would have used less gas than Volt ...
     
  12. SageBrush

    SageBrush Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2008
    11,627
    2,530
    8
    Location:
    Southwest Colorado
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Two
    ^^ very little doubt about that.

    The economics of the Volt are just so out of wack. Few single people have $40k to spend on cars, and a large fraction that can want a sports car. Families that spend $40k on cars will be better off with two cars: a ~ 40 mile BEV and a Prius for the same price as a Volt, but more convenience, and less fuel use.

    Rational purchases of a Volt will be in short supply.
     
  13. evnow

    evnow Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2010
    816
    155
    0
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    N/A
    Yes, at $40K it will be difficult to justify. I expect to buy a BEV (LEAF) and a PHEV later, once the price comes down. That would reduce my oil consumption the most ... and yet allow us to drive around.
     
  14. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    14,487
    1,518
    0
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    The thread title is funny. Sure, the Volt can drive as far as you like. It's a gasoline car, for crying out loud!!! ANY gasoline car can do that! And as evnow points out, the Prius would do it on less gasoline even with the Volt recharging its batteries over night. Sheesh!
     
    4 people like this.
  15. Felt

    Felt Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2009
    1,624
    603
    0
    Location:
    Mountain West
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    I completely agree with Daniel. What would be most interesting are the details explaining how the drive was accomplished. I am reserving WOW comments until after the details are revealed. A 600 mile day is no real feat whatsoever, except I am suspicious the Volt in pure CS mode might be "uncomfortable" to sustain the 600 mile/day speed. Plus, with only a 9 gallon tank, there would be frequent stops to refill .... so that would lower the daily average mph. But who knows, they easily could have carried additional fuel ... and what else, there are additional "fudges" that could have been made.

    The Volt seemingly is designed for the short daily commuter, and this was an attempt to "demonstrate" that it can be an over-the-road vehicle. The danger is, many uninformed "mom and pops" are going to buy this car, and it will deliver performance that falls short of the advertised performance.
     
  16. drees

    drees Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    1,782
    247
    0
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Why? The Volt will get at least 35 mpg on the highway, probably 40 mpg+ easily. That's at least 300 miles per fill-up in CS mode, which is about the same as my gas guzzler which works just fine on 500-600 mile/day road trips. 2 10 min stops/day for fuel is not a big deal at all when you are comparing it to an EV which in the best case (Tesla Roadster, 245 mi range) will likely need at least 2 multi-hour stops to charge and worst case (Nissan Leaf, 100 mi range) will need 8+ 30 min stops to refuel.

    The Volt will do quite well in a single-car household as it will not use gas for most normal use and then use gas efficiently for longer trips.

    Now - if the Volt does cost $40k compared to the $33k of the Leaf, I would instead recommend getting two cars, anyway. Get the Leaf for your daily short-trip driving, then get a used 4-cyl sedan for your highway road trips.

    That said for two car households, I can easily see them a Leaf/Volt household as being best of all situations as most two car households I know of, both cars are used for short trips on a daily basis, but you still need one that can drive 200-500 miles/day with relative ease and that's just not yet possible with EVs (unless you own a Tesla and there is a convenient charging spot and you can wait to charge at the max rate of 56 miles/hour).
     
    1 person likes this.
  17. Airbalancer

    Airbalancer Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2009
    892
    73
    0
    Location:
    Cobourg, On, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Most of the comment here is what I hear from people who do not have Prius :rolleyes:
    The Volt is new technology
    What this show is that you need only one car either to drive around town or go going across the country
    The Volt is a start to something new just like a Prius was a start to a hybrids


    We should be happy that companies are trying new things
    If there no new technology we should all happy driving Sequoia and get 18.1 l/100km in the city :eek:
     
    1 person likes this.
  18. Felt

    Felt Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2009
    1,624
    603
    0
    Location:
    Mountain West
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    With no technical or engineering background to support my doubts .... I am merely responding to things I have read. I get the feeling that the "range extender" will struggle to generate sufficient power at 60-70 mph, climb hills, run the A/C, water pump, lights, radio and etc. I can easily be proven wrong.

    I have read articles that even the Tesla's range at freeway speed is significantly reduced. In time these questions will be answered.
     
  19. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    But you see, the Volt is NOT new technology. In fact, GM hinted and teased about the same type of vehicle decades ago (February 1969). They have a really bad history of teasing about things they never make. They seem to spend more money in marketing than in research and development.

    [​IMG]
     
    3 people like this.
  20. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    14,487
    2,997
    0
    Location:
    Fort Lee, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Tony, that was a good one.