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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by SteveChm, Aug 17, 2010.

  1. SteveChm

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    Hey all,

    First post and I'm looking for some advice. Bought a 2010 Prius III in early July and was really enjoying it. While driving home one night on some secondary roads I heard a loud bang under the car. Soon after lights started going off and eventually I lost all motive power. Dealer found hoses off, PCV and vacuum. One was split, the other just off. Was told it was "shoddy workmanship" as the hose had not been cut square before clamping

    Get it back after 5 days in a Yaris. Next day, lights start going off, hybrid system not functioning, dies on the side of the road. Towed in. Diagnosis, hoses off again. New clamp ordered. PCV hose now held on w/ zip tie.

    Next day, driving home late at night, check engine light comes on. Make it home ok. Next morning start it, engine shudders when shifting. Have it towed back in. New computer ordered. Now they tell me it's fixed.

    Owned this car for 6 weeks but it's been at the dealers for service for 2 of those weeks. Everyone is blaming someone else, no one is taking responsibility. Between all the dirty tow guys and all the service this is no longer a new car. I'm incredibly frustrated and looking for some advice. Can I get my money back? Can I get a new car? Or is this just a case of caveat emptor?
     
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    Welcome and major bummer on the issues. I would look into your local lemon laws. But I would think that as long as they are trying to "fix" it, your stuck with it. You might bring the subject up with your salesman/manager.
     
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    You should have a brochure with your Owner's manuals that outlines the Lemon Law for each State. In GA if it's in more than X number of time within the first year it's calssified a Lemon. These rules very by State so I would consult the brochure and if it hits the criteria to be classified a Lemon, they have to buy it back from you.
     
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    The highlighted tells me a lot about your dealership.

    I've NEVER met a dealership - EVER - that made the damning statement that the workmanship on a brand new car (one of their products), coming from the manufacturer, had "shoddy workmanship". Seems to me, by so doing, they just gave you all the ammunition you need to proceed...if this has "shoddy workmanship", then what else is shoddy?

    But then, the dealer supposedly fixes the "shoddy" work done by Toyota in Japan, only to find out a day latter, that their own fix - on a VERY simple problem - didn't work?

    Com'on?!

    Finally, why does it take any dealer "5 days" to fix a "hoses off" problem?? This is not rocket science...or is it?

    Something doesn't sound right to me.
     
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    Google "lemon laws" and find the one for your state. Armed with that info, you'll be in a better position to discuss the situation with the dealer.

    You mentioned you drive on secondary roads. Are you sure the damage hasn't been caused by the car bottoming out?
     
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    Well, by secondary I mean non-highway. Well-paved road with not a hint of debris. Two pairs of eyes on the road meant we were sure we didn't hit anything. And these hoses are not on the bottom of the vehicle exposed to the road. I guess it's a valid question but I'm getting fed up with blaming the operator. At first they wanted to know if I had put diesel fuel in the car...
     
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    To me it's a passing responsibility on thing. Dealer blames manufacturer, manufacturer blames dealer. So far no one has stepped up. I have to ask for a car that I can actually fit my hockey gear in. I have to ask that they clean the grease off the leather seats that the tow guys left. I have to ask that they reset the clock...

    The reason they kept it for 5 days initially was they thought it needed a new battery. I was told it was at a very low state of charge and needed to be replaced. Later I was told there was nothing wrong with it and that being at a low state of charge for several days would in no way impact the battery. When it came in the second time the service manager said "ya, we should have replaced the battery. We'll order a new one." But when it was just hoses again, they said no need everything is fine.

    Thanks to others for getting me to investigate the lemon laws. NC has a 4 strikes rule over a 1 year period. They say I must contact the manufacturer in writing at the time of the 3rd occurrence.

    We've been a Toyota family since 1987...
     
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    How far are you from Huntsville, AL?

    I'd like to take a peek at this critter if it is reasonable close.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    To my point - It sounds like your dealership, or at least the manager at your dealership is NOT very professional.

    I've NEVER heard of someone within a dealership saying the workmanship on a new product was "shoddy". That's just not professional, at all. I've worked in this business all my life, and if I ever heard that someone from a dealership was telling customers the prooduct they just bought had "shoddy" workmanship...well, they would be gone in a heart beat. That does not instill customer confidence, and is compeletely counter-productive to solving your problem.

    Again, flags would go off if they claimed something was wrong with the battery, yet, hoses came off...

    Is this a new new Toyota dealership? Sounds to me they have some issues...




    Too bizzar. Flags going off....and if what you describe is all accurate, I would be looking for a different dealership. I would have ZERO trust in anything they told me.
     
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    i would be in contact with toyota. the corporate version, not the dealer.
     
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    this story sounds like the woman that posted here about a prius problem in the mid-west or texas area?

    her husband was in the armed forces.
     
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    I also live in NC. Can you give us an idea of where your dealer is located? Would be interested in knowing. Our dealer is in GA and is supposed to have an excellent reputation. Hope your problems are over soon.
     
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    Please rat out the dealer. I agree it is time to start talking to Toyota and send them a letter apprising them of the situation so far. Good luck.
     
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    Another NC resident here that would be interested in knowing what dealer you are working with. I agree with letting Toyota corporate know about this dealer.

    Maybe one of us NC residents can recommend another dealer if this becomes necessary.
     
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    So I think the general consensus is start to document. If it's 4 strikes and your out with the lemon laws, you want to be able to point to 4 attempts clearly defined.

    Unfortunately, you might want to contact a lawyer that deals with these situations. I know nobody ever wants to contact a lawyer, but a car is a big investment, and if you have indeed gotten a lemon it might be worth it.

    I also would recommend looking for a new dealer, but I wonder if that resets the # of strikes?

    The assembly line process really does create a uniformity usually of both quality and potential defect in modern auto making. It's still possible that competent diagnosis and repair could result in your problems being solved. Just sounds to me like you have yet to have a good diagnosis or repair.

    Good luck.
     
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    Yep.

    So, first strike are the hoses coming off...BUT, even that, when asked a direct question as to whether the OP might have hit, or run over something knocking off the hoses....the OP never replied to that question. So, is that the 1st strike? Who was at fault here - the operator, or the car?? As we all know, a lot of the blame that Toyota has taken this past year, was clearly operator or dealership error, and not "shoddy" engineering or manufacturing from Toyota. I'm not saying that's the case here, but...flags are going off. Something fishy here.
    :rolleyes:

    As for what the dealer did, or more likely didn't do to properly diagnose the problem and fix it properly (ie, hoses came off a 2nd time after dealer supposedly fixed the problem), does not count as another strike.
     
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    So, sorry I haven't followed this more closely but last night the system drive of my computer went down... Been a fun week.

    We've had several toyotas over the last 23 years and they have all performed flawlessly. Wife is still driving a 97 Rav4 that just keeps going. I give toyota the benefit of the doubt. When that guy in CA had to be stopped by the cops my first thought was that he faked it. So I understand your blaming the operator.

    I hit nothing. I did not bottom out. I did, however, have to wait 2hrs in 100 degree weather for a tow truck. I did have to walk a mile in the heat w/ my groceries. I did contact toyota after the 2nd occurence. I did contact toyota after the 3rd occurence.

    I hesitate to name the dealer. I had a fairly pleasant sales experience there and had these problems not occurred I would be very happy with them. I will say that I am based in the Triad area of NC.

    Someone mentioned a thread that sounded similar to this one. Anyone have a link? Thanks.

    -Steve
     
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    So you're already up to strike #3 with last night's 'system drive' going down? Yes, document each and every instance in detail. Print out a copy of the lemon laws for NC. Call Toyota corporate AND FedEx a copy of all your documentation to someone in charge.

    Then go to your dealer with the same documentation and let them know the car will need to be taken back according to the lemon laws of NC.

    Engage the services of a lawyer, if needed. Even if they only write a threatening letter, that may be enough to convince the dealer to honor the law.
     
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    Err, no, the system drive of my computer that I use to access the internet.

    They did install a new computer in my car apparently. That is the current fix. Still haven't gotten it back yet.
     
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    Your many complaints might be genuine? I don't know? But if they are, then it's clear your dealership is taking you for a ride.

    You say you live in the Triad area (I know it well), but won't mention the dealership. Why? They've either mis-diagnosed the problem, or, did a "shoddy" fix, themselves. Further, it sounds like you have been inconvenienced - multiple times - by the dealership. So what's the issue in not wanting to mention who your dealership is? That's partly what this board is for - to share information with other consumers. Or are you simply here to vent your anger/frustration?

    It's extremely rare to get shoddy workmanship right from the factory...especially on a Toyota. Bad engineering designs, or material/parts are more common. It's even rarer, still, to get a dealership that says the manufacturer did "shoddy" workmanship. I'm in the business and it's very unprofessional...so I would question your dealership.

    As to your problems...can you back up and list them chronologically? So far we've heard hoses coming off - twice. We've heard about a failed battery (which one) - twice. Now we hear the cars CPU has been replaced. I fail to see how hoses coming off (which is what your first complaint was), relates to a failed battery, and then a failed/faulty CPU on the Prius?? Either this is just troll material (and there have been quite a few here back in the Winter/Spring), or, your dealership is inept, and trying to run up a healthy tab at Toyota's expense, and wasting your time in the process.

    So, I'll ask it again - who is your dealership? Maybe I know someone at your dealership?