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Honda Jazz Hybrid (thumbs up) / American Honda (thumbs down)

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by anonymoususer, Aug 28, 2010.

  1. anonymoususer

    anonymoususer New Member

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    So i guess according to this Honda will be producing a Jazz (Fit) Hybrid for Europe (maybe Asia?). But one of the threads linked below, an American Honda Motor Co. rep said it will not be sold in the US.

    I think its a great idea. Cheap car using Hondas cheaper IMA technology.
     
  2. GrumpyCabbie

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    Why would they want to sell it in the US? I've heard fuel prices are dropping on your side of the pond and as such Joe Public will be rushing back to buy 6 litre SUV's before you can say Rumplestiltskin! :D

    Tell me I'm wrong ;)
     
  3. SlowTurd

    SlowTurd I LIKE PRIUS'S

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    you're right.


    it seems most americans can only see up to 2 weeks ahead in their life.
     
  4. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Because Americans associated small with cheap? Premium compacts and subcompacts are starting to make their way in (Fiesta for now and Focus later as well as the A3 and 1-Series coupe/cab.. no hatch). They're still missing out on the Acura CSX (a fancied up Civic) and the MB B-Class (not as dorky as you think it is).
     
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    What I was meaning was, for how long will these economical subcompacts continue to be sold now fuel costs are falling? Will the manufacturers stop production or importing these vehicles if fuel becomes cheap again.

    They did it in the 1970's as I believe the Fiesta was imported back then to the USA when fuel was expensive and then dropped when costs fell. Thirty years later you're getting it back again.

    Also, how does Canada fare here? Your fuel costs are somewhere between Europe and the USA, yet your cars are more biased towards US models. Surely it would make sense to purchase more European or smaller cars? Or is that the case already? Will the Fiesta and the like hit it off in Canada?
     
  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    GM's 'chevette' either by design or accident made that true. The USA car makers produced a bunch of crappy small cars in the 70s and 80s and poisoned the well for USA built. So they made a market for Toyota and the rest is history.

    Bob Wilson
     
  7. GrumpyCabbie

    GrumpyCabbie Senior Member

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    What was wrong with the Chevette? OK it was a little ugly but they sold well (Europeanised) over here for a while as a Vauxhall.

    Looking at the specs of your Chevy Chevette it appears to me to be quite ahead of its time for a fuel efficient car. A 1400cc or 1600cc engine with manual or auto transmissions and fuel economy of 40 mpg! I just think they flogged the design to death as the UK Chevette discontinued in 1984 and I remember as a kid thinking it old fashioned by then.

    Still an ugly car though.
     
  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    The short list:

    • 30k miles/clutch - no I do not nor have ever ridden the clutch. It was undersized.
    • insufficient leg room - I was always cramped.
    • seats by d'Sade - after an hour or so, legs would go numb. If you didn't take a break, cramps would follow.
    • steering was by random - you had to drive it all the time, worse than the early Prius.
    • noise - well above 45 mph, I couldn't hear my wife's complaints if she had a sore throat . . . from complaining.
    • brakes - eventually and somewhere.
    • structural integrity - do you have aluminum cans? Put a designed crease in an aluminum can . . . that is how solid it felt.
    • above 65 mph - the car would make such a racket that if I was trying to nap in the passenger seat it would wake me up and I would ask the wife to slow down.
    • safety - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    • heating - roast the front and freeze the rear
    • cooling - HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    • road response - as good as the steering if the compression forces didn't hurt the back
    • paint color (green) - you are right, UGLY!
    My favorite Chevette story:
    My wife had a tendancy to lug the small, high rpm engine so I told her to use the 'red marks' on the speedometer to change gears. So one day, she wanted to change to a lower gear and sped up to the little red marks, downshifted . . . in a speed trap.

    She went to court and told them that "My husband said if I wanted to shift into 4th gear, I had to be going fast enough for the little red marks so I sped up."

    The court erupted in laughter and the Judge said, "Say what?" The cops joined in, "Yes Sir Your Honor, that is what she told us!"

    The Judge wiping a tear from his eye said, "Mrs. Wilson, I wish your husband were here today. Case dismissed!"
    We took that little car to Huntsville Alabama and my wife constantly complained that the Huntsville train (a switching engine that moves individual box cars around to different companies) didn't run fast enough to hit the car.

    One day at Airport Road, she was following a pickup truck with an I-beam rear bumper. But the pickup driver spied a cop car and stopped instead of running the red light. She didn't stop fast enough so the pickup truck bumper decapitated the radiator and crumpled the hood. She got out and after looking at the car began to dance and sing 'The car is dead! The car is dead!' much to the confusion of the pickup truck driver who suffered no damaged but now had a green smear to his rusty, well worn, I-beam bumper.

    I got down there to look at the damage car and obviously my wife was still in a good mood. So I looked it over and said,"I don't know, maybe $50 and we can get it back on the road."

    If looks could kill I would not be writing this note today.

    We sent the car to the salvage where it was probably melted down to make weak, inferior cans for marginal food products sold to unsuspecting poor people.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    M. Oiseau 6sigma this

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    Awesome story, Bob! You should submit it to Car Talk!
     
  10. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    Don't forget Honda and the original Civic

    We're about 86.9¢/litre to $1.159/litre so I'll let you do the conversions.

    Our cars are not biased towards US models. Most of the cars sold here are US-spec'd (in terms of safety and design) because it's too expensive to re-certify cars for Canadian consumption and since our standards are very similar to the U.S., most manufacturers would just certify it for USDOT and usually it's ok for Transport Canada. Also note that the population and population density of the U.S. is much larger than Canada. We're a large country by land area but small by population density (I think it's somewhere around 80% of the population lives within 100km of the US border).


    Also, our tastes more closely match Europe than the U.S. Our best selling car is the Honda Civic whereas in the U.S., it's the Camry. Our best selling vehicle overall is the Dodge Caravan (Chrysler Voyager) but in the U.S., it's the Ford F-150.

    In fact, our top 3 cars are the Civic, Corolla and Mazda3, all small cars. In addition, we have cars that the U.S. doesn't get such as the MB B-Class, Acura CSX (a luxury Civic) and up til 2008, we had the smart fortwo to ourselves. We get smaller displacement C230 and C230 4Matics (US gets C300 and C350s plus the AMG models only). We also got the Yaris 2 years before the US (called the Echo Hatchback).
     
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    Cheers Tideland, that answered my question very nicely.
     
  12. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Actually the whole Japan Inc. joined by Korea Corp and the EU Association. <grins>
    Yesterday I saw one at the Toyota dealership and that is a much better description.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    I think you'll like this