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Is it ok to run the the PWR bar in eco mode ?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Superdrol, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. Superdrol

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    Well I am at 53.2 mpg I assumed the red bar was revving the engine too hard.


    I still cannot figure out how everyone is regularly averaging 75 mpg
     
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    Revving the engine at excessively high Rpm is not good for the car. Why is everyone saying it is ? I'm not even an expert and I know this.
     
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    I highly doubt it. The redline is probably closer to 5,000 or 5,500rpm. The CVT in the Prius probably won't even touch that until you hit 90 or 100mph (just a guess WRT to the speed). Max torque for the engine is about 4,200-4,400rpm so the red bar is certainly not anywhere close to redlining the engine.

    And I don't think ppl AVERAGE 75mpg. Sure they get 75mpg tanks but that's not an average. I've gotten close to 60mpg tanks (58 and 59) but my average as you can see below in my sig is closer to 48mpg.

    The red zone is just telling you that you're getting the best fuel efficiency if you're in that zone.

    Toyota's not dumb (look at owner's manual to see how it's written) and the Prius is fairly idiot proof (you can't even bust the transmission by shifting into reverse like you can with a regular transmission. It'll just beep and shift into neutral)
     
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    The engine speed on your Prius is computer controlled. You can't run it at excessively high RPMs even if you want to; the computer won't allow it.

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    No way people can average 75 mpg (unless you have the PHEV mod done). It's just physically impossible unless you live in the warm, flat, rural farmlands/praries where you are the only car in the 10 miles vicinity and you can drive non-stop at 55mph for hours.

    Consider this: @ 4.7L/100km/50 mpg you drive the Prius like any other normal car. @ 3.7 L/100km/63.5 mpg you drive the Prius like a crawling snail (I tried, it is possible). Your gas$ saving? 1$ over 3-4 days (depending on how much you drive per day), and that is for Canadian gas prices, you'd save even less in the US.

    And your $1 saving might end-up costing 10's of $ extra gas burning for all the other cars trailing you in low gear and/or swirling around you angrily. As I said before, you'd do the world a deservice, literally by causing more harmful emmisions by other cars, not just by making the Prius a bad name.

    Over long years of your Prius ownership, you'd live in constant fear of Prius hate from the rest of the drivers. If you attract one impatient tailgator who couldn't control his brake in time and rear-ended your precious Prius, the deductable$, the aggrevation and the time lost is just not worth it, not to mention your Prius won't feel the same even after the most skilled technician fixes the damage.

    I didn't just imagine these scenerios. I lived through it, by experimenting both driving styles. In my 1st month of Prius rough-in period, I was gingerly trying out hypermiling to maximise mpg, I got a dozen or so episodes of Prius hate (twice someone throw pebbles on my window glass making nerve wrecking cracking noise, luckily the glass held up), and I did get rear-ended once (luckily just a pea sized nicked on the bumper). Once I change my driving style to match the flow of traffic, all prius hate disappears.

    So new Prius owners please take note.
     
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    I'm always being tailgated all the time, but I'd like to atleast get to 60 mpg. I was able to clear the hurdle from 48mpg to 50mpg, then now 53.2 mpg, but I am largely stuck at 53mpg.
     
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    where did people have pebbles to throw at your car ? That's not a common item to keep stored inside the car.
     
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    I didn't know if they were pebbles but the cracking sound on my window glass was freightening enough. They could be coins from their wallets?
     
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    mpg depends a lot on local terrain, frequency of stop & go traffic and temperature, and distance of trip. It might be impossible for some situations to get 60 mpg, but rest assured that you are still way ahead of other cars because they'll be worst off driving in the same mpg demanding area.

    It might be more difficult to get 60 mpg in the colder temps. I installed the electric block heater and was able to reduce the warm-up gas wasting every morning. Maybe you can try that. I bet the EBH will help even in warm temps, since the ICE needs warming up to 80c even from 40c outside temp in summer.
     
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    53 mpg is pretty good. As pointed out above, that may be about as good as you can do. I average about that in my Gen II in the summer. If I reset the mileage meter after filling up in the city on my way home, I will average 60 to 65 mpg for the 30 mile trip, but that average will quickly drop to the mid fifties once a few sub-optimal trips are thrown into the mix.

    In the winter my average drops to the mid 40s. Terrain, temperature, and trip profile makes a huge difference in mileage. Many of these factors may be out of your control.

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    Fall is setting in and the midwest gets very cold weather. When I first got the car in Feb of this year I was getting around 48mpg. I expect the mpg to take a small hit going into winter.
     
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    Could stop the car and get the coins to buy more gas ?
     
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    Also if the battery in the remote dies, if I use the metal key to get inside the car, how can I start the car if the internal battery is dead ? I read something about putting the key into a slot, but I did not see any slot.
     
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    I doubt that can be done much above 46 mph.

    While Ken achieved 117 mpg over a significant distance on level ground, and one of his compatriots did the same over a whole tank, and I beat 75 mpg on non-level ground, I strongly doubt that anyone can do it on level ground at 55. Bob Wilson's mpg-vs-speed graph just doesn't support it.
     
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    The slot is in the GenII. In the GenIII, step on the brake pedal and hold the Toyota emblem side of the fob up to the power button, then press the power button. This is in the manual (p. 542), plus I think the car may tell you what to do on the MFD if you try to start it and the key isn't detected.
     
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    It will say, "Key not detected". But if you try it a second time, then it will tell you what to do (I just tried it).
     
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    Which part of Ontario do you live in? Remind me to avoid that area :eek:.

    I drove a smart through Ontario and did not receive such animosity. In fact, I had curious bystanders even in Sudbury.
     
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    I commute between Mississauga & Etobicoke daily on local non highway roads. Highways are bumper to bumper between 7 to 9am and it's much longer distance for me. Local roads are stop and go with lots of traffic lights and lots of idiot drivers (including me, sometimes.)

    If you want to avoid my area you might want to avoid the whole GTA. It's dog-eat-dog out here.
     
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    Weird.. I was in the area with my smart for 3 months (Oakville/Mississauga) with the occasional trip to downtown TO. Aside from the ridiculously short ramp from Trafalgar onto the QEW (flooring it with the smart will not get me up to 100km/h in time), I never had any anti-smart issues from the other drivers... even to YYZ.