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PLZ HELP: 2006 Prius won't start...goes to NEUTRAL

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by svldvc, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. svldvc

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    ISSUE #2

    Okay. Now after I replaced the HV Battery in the front, when I turned my Ignition to ON, and pressed the BRAKE PEDAL my Main Display screen (GPS/info screen) just went blank...like it shut off...

    And When i start the Ignition ON...it remains blank...doesn't even light up at insertion of the key and when I turn the A/CC on (to power my windows or so)...still nothing...???

    Where is the FUSE for the screen located??
    I'll check it tomorrow when I have a chance.

    Anyother issue that I might check besides the Fuse??
    Thanks
     
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    No, that's the thing...I've been trying to get this car to "READY" mode and nothing yet.

    And "yes", when I press the brake pedal my taillights light up (many were asking)
     
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    With no HV battery connected, you should be able to get the car on (not ready) and see everything. If none of that works, then I suggest looking at the 12v. Since you have been fighting this for a while, you could have drained it over the time of your quest. It is a very small battery, nothing like what you are used to.

    All fuses are located under the hood and under the steering wheel. I would go through and check every one with an ohmmeter to verify connectivity before going any further. They may look ok, but they could have a hairline crack disabling it.
     
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    Here I also got a pics of the LIGHTS that are showing.
    Not sure what the <!> Triangle means,
    And not sure what the (car!) means either..

    Anyone?
     

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    it means system failure... either something isn't clipped right.. or... umm... i don't know.. yet...

    have you checked all the fuses?

    the info screen usually only goes blank if the 12v battery is too low or something is wrong with the polarity.

    you've gone through just about every other item. maybe you do have to replace all of the airbags?...

    it's definitely on the electrical side, as the ICE side doesn't really throw codes until it fails to fire up.

    have you checked to make sure there isn't a short in the high voltage cables? usually this would result in a direct disconnect from the battery side. the computers use the 12v to boot so in theory a person with that problem would end up about where you are. failure to fully bootup since it won't switch on the hybrid battery.

    on second thought, you said you heard the car clicking and making noises. when you open the door you should hear the a click or two and a swirling sound from the engine bay. as you turn the car on, it clicks when you apply the brake, and does 3 clicks or so from the hybrid battery, as it boots up. if you don't hear those three, the battery relays are probably not turning on. if you hear multiple clicks and it's failing to turn on, then that's a plus of sorts yet frustrating.. as it's actually trying to boot but shorting out or something in some area... somewhere... usually 12v battery failure sounds exactly like this... as the tiny amounts of juice get used up, it simply doesn't have enough power to switch the hybrid battery on. (250watts or so) ... so it clicks as it tries over and over.

    have you tried jumping the car? just to make sure plenty of 12v power is there? (or simply hooking up a charger in a standard 5 - 10amp charge state)

    if you hook up another source and anything seems to go brighter, it's been the 12v draining too fast that's been ruining your fun. (but that sounds too easy) (you kinda addressed 12v in the past so i don't think this is your missing link... more of a reminder that the standard 12v sucks)

    is it possible that that this vehicle has been ran out of gas? i remember hearing that the vehicle goes into a lockdown if multiple failed starts are attempted. requiring dealer service.
     
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    Insane: THANK YOU for your awesome post!! :D

    also...I think I'll charge the 12v battery tomorrow, (Polarity is all good) it probably did die since I've been using it on/off for about a month since I got the car. :cool:
     
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    That's another thing I wanted to mention...that the REAR battery (don't know what it's called) Does NOT make any of those 2 or 3 clicks before the car is "supposed" to go to "READY" status.

    I have another Prius that's why I know :p
     
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    yeah.. the 12v system in the prius will function right up until they turn off from low 12v. the stereo gets funny as it will be the 1st to turn off, then turn itself back on.. just to turn back off.. over and over.. as it gets lower, the whole car starts to "flash" like that.. up until the point were the display can't properly fire up and you'll get faded displays.
     
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    The Main "Hybrid" battery Does NOT make those 3 clicks before the "READY" light supposed to come on?

    Anyone knows why?
    Could the problem be in some sensors/relays etc?? where?

    Or do I have to replace the battery??
     
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    Sounds like a dead 12v like we all suggest.

    The HV battery is 100% disconnected from the system when off.

    The 12v battery is uesd to click the small current limited relay on (click 1), waits a bit of time so its not a huge rush of current, then the 12v bus which is now mostly powered by the HV battery clicks the main non-limited relay (click 2) which allows the smaller relay to turn off (click 3).
     
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    Hi. Thanks for post.
    You think it's my 12V battery?? (we're talking about that skinny tall one on the Pass side rear corner, right?)

    It was a bit dead, so I charged it 100%.

    i checked the voltage with a meter and it showed 13.4 volts or something like that...so isn't that more than enough to power the Car for Start??

    My Radiators/condensors are OFF the car...so car is without coolant...you think this will prevent the car from becoming "READY" status???

    I will assembly the whole rad/condensor & fill with coolant tomorrow...maybe that will make the diff.. :(
     
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    13.4 is enough, but check tomorrow and see if its 12.6 or better. The rad and condenser probably should be on and in working order with all air bled from the coolant. Good luck, H
     
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    Alright, I'm DONE messing with it!

    I've have an appointment @ Toyota dealerships next Thursday.
    Hopefully they will be able to tell me what's wrong with this thing.

    Here's what I've replaced so far:
    1. airbags
    2. airbag sensors
    3. dashpanel
    4. 12v battery
    5. Silver Battery (engine bay)
    6. transaxle plugs/sensors
    7. Main HV Battery
    8. 12v Battery (+) bulk of sensors fuses etc.
    9. and bunch and bunch other sensors I coud find in the car
    10. brake pedal sensor (with orange button)
    11. ALL fuses & relays in engine bay
    12. radiators/condensors
    Still can't get this thing to show "READY" mode or even do those 3 clicks in the back when you turn the Ignition "ON". :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
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    You bought a junker, this is the risk you take. Hopefully the dealership will figure out what the problem is.
     
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    Please let us know what Toyota finds. I'd love to know what the problem turns out to be.

    BTW. What is the "Silver Battery (engine bay)", I've never heard of that one before.
     
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    ^^^ lol...sorry I'm a Prius N00b, so I don't know the proper name of it.
    That's the square looking Silver Cover thing that has a "chrome" large emblem that says: "Hybrid Synergy" on it. :p

    :focus: I've taken my car to the dealer and he found out that my main battery plug is bad. It's an ORANGE color plug that plugs into the main Hybrid battery on the left side of it. I guess they said that in accidents these go bad and need to be replaced.

    Well...I replaced it...and all the 3 clicking noises happened and READY light came on and my car started & drove :D :D :rockon: :D :D :cheer2:
    PRAISE THE LORD!!! I'm so Happy!! I was thinking of getting rid of this car if the dealer won't find out what the issue was...but now I can PROUDLY say that I'm a Prius owner and I'm happy to have this little "Green" thingy in my garage :p **even though it's Black color** :cool:

    Boy oh boy! Did I learn A LOT of stuff working on this Prius....I feel like I'm a "Prius-EXPERT" now! lol hehe :D :D
     
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    That's not a battery. That's the inverter.

    If you've really replaced everything you've listed, you've sunk a ton of $ into this. A new inverter has a 4 digit price tag and a new HV battery is >$2K.

    Also, since you mentioned you replaced the radiators and condensers, judging by the questions and terminology you're using, you might want to read http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-...n-dealer-engine-coolant-flush.html#post815064. I'm definitely no Prius repair expert (not by a long shot) but have stumbled across threads like these before.

    BTW, the 12 volt battery doesn't start the ICE (internal combustion engine). It's started by the HV battery.
     
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    It's an ORANGE color plug that plugs into the main Hybrid battery on the left side of it. I guess they said that in accidents these go bad and need to be replaced. Well...I replaced it...and all the 3 clicking noises happened and READY light came on and my car started & drove

    Congrats, yes there is a large fuse inside the HV plug disconnect access by sliding the plastic cover off the backside. I don't recall it being pictured here, a fuse that can easily be overlooked.
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    Quoting from a priuschat link
    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-...hooting/80641-hybrid-system-failure-icon.html
    The funny part was when I took the 125 amp fuse to my Toyota dealer, nobody in the place knew what the fuse was for. When I told them it was out of their Hybrid battery, the technicians told me they had never seen that fuse before, and didn’t even know the Hybrid battery had a fuse!!!.
     
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    2006 prius..Replace ABS pump and cluster! Now wont start! a lot light on dash,triangle,abs,etc etc..Bought cluster on ebay and the gas is blinking..need help..(n)