EPA on Volt: 93 MPGe electric, 37 mpg gas-only, 60mpg combined

Looking closer I see that "e" in the question. Wonder how often that will get missed in posts.

As for why only EV, that could be to stress the reality that Volt still uses gas. Perhaps gas-only story stickers will be seeing a change too.
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I couldn't find. The lower-right corner values are referred to CS mode, but not the electric consumption for hwy/city driving.


I have a problem of "content" on my work server, which blocks connection, maybe someone follow the link given on 1st post of this thread and copy those values here, please...

 

That's funny because they are sold out for the next two years?, For me it would have been a very good buy , I live in an area that everything is 5 to 15 miles including all my family. The motor in my Prius is always running now that it's cold hear in New England, ( and no I'm not going to turn off the heat put on 3 jackets and LJ's so I can get mileage) short trips to the bank 1 mile, BurgerKing 3 miles, kids house 5 miles, for most people this car can and will work and don't forget this is GEN 1

 

"Sold out?" sure, between the government and General Electric .... they will sell-out. It would be interesting to know what they are paying?

5 -15 mile range does not take advantage of the Prius' strong points. Each of us buys what complements our needs (or desires). My Prius is #1 when the conditions are right (most of the time); my CR-V is #1 in the snow, gravel roads, and trips into the mountains; my 2500 RAM diesel is #1 when hauling my RV (planning on selling both soon).

What would be interesting .... a 15 mile range in New England is a 30 mile round trip. In the cold and snow,slow stop and go traffic (I know, I lived there) I bet the ICE will start long before the trip is completed, and remain running just like other cars.

As I have said often, the Volt is a niche vehicle ... and the niche is very narrow. I am not in the market, but if I were, I would consider a Cruze .... it has a much broader "comfort range" of operation, and cost signifcantly less.

 

Another good choice might be The all-new 2011 Hyundai Elantra

 

It will. My commute, 9 miles of which are on a 70 MPH stretch, is 16.5 miles. The result of that drive to work in the PHV was 160 MPG.

The addition of a plug changes the game... which is why those supporting Volt treat the plug-in model of Prius as if it won't ever come to market.
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It funny how the plug changes the game when it is in a Prius but not in a Volt.

 

Okay, let's say you drive 15 miles to work, each direction, every day. That's 30 miles round trip. In a Volt, you would not need a drop of gasoline. In a Prius, if you gas tank was empty and battery uncharged, you would not be able to go one foot without requiring a drop of gasoline. For that same 30 miles, at 50mpg, you would require 3/5 of a gallon of gasoline. To put this into perspective, let's multiply this times 10 million people. You import zero gallons of gasoline from Iran using the Volt, yet you would BUY 6 million gallons of gasoline from Iran for the. And that's just one day! (take into consideration the burning of diesel fuel for the oil tankers to transport this across the ocean)

Now, if you are unfortunate enough to have a round trip commute of more than 72 miles (volt 35ev+37gas=72 for one gallon) per day way (well, actually it would need to be longer than that since the Prius would need more than a gallon to go 72 miles), then if you have a very long commute each day, then you would be better with the Prius.

Doing the math, 35+37x=50x .... x=2.692gallons

Prius.. 50mpg(2.692gal) = 134.6 miles
Volt.. 35EV+37mpg(2.692gal) = 134.6 miles

 

Offering choice is no laughing matter.

Prius will be available in no-plug & plug models. Essentially, the only difference will be the battery pack. Toyota is simply pushing more electricity through the same propulsion system in the 2010.

Volt with a smaller battery-pack would rely much more on the engine, which only delivers 37 MPG. Even with the PHV sub-packs depleted, you still get 50 MPG. Consumers will like still getting better than traditional efficiency even without plugging in.

Volt without a plug is pointless. That leaves GM with the need to also produce another type of hybrid. BAS is just a mild assist, hardly capable of competiting directly with Toyota or Ford hybrids. Heck, even Honda and Hyundai are planning more capable designs.

And of course, we know how well HSD scales from compact cars all the way to 7-passenger 3500-pound towing vehicles.

Big picture. :rockon:
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They aren't there. My guess is the ratio will be around the same ratio as the leaf so around 100 mpge city, 86 mpge highway. It would be nice if the epa would report what these cars did in each of the 5 tests.

Don't baffle people with math, how are they going to keep on making this stuff up. I would say it is actually worse, if you are going that far they are probably mostly highway miles so lets drop the ev range to 32, the volt to 40mpg highway and the prius to 48mpg highway. YMMV but that leaves a crossover of around 190 miles. If your driving even half that far most days the volt is not for you.

 

That's right, which is why it is good to have the choice of a volt.

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I don't know if you have been listening to toyota, but you likely won't be able to take delivery of a phv prius for 20 months and it will be a 2013 my. Bring it on, and the focus BEV and PHEV, and the other competition.

Hey some of us care about the gas we are actually burning not one out of a large number of epa numbers. If you aren't going to plug in, why would you buy a plug in car. The argument seems a little absurd.

I thought the volt without a plug was a cruize. Not exactly pointless, it seems to be well reviewed. The eco cruize will probably burn about 150 more gallons of gas than a prius over 15000 miles, the prius 200 more than the volt. Bring on all the efficient designs.

Well YMMV. I like choice, not just choice with in toyota

 

AG, sorry, but for 13 years no one else cared about a real hybrid and making it real, not promising vapourware solutions. Now that the competition is wakening up, I believe everyone should salute Toyota. And my choice will be always within Toyota, and because of proven design and reliable future savings, both on maintenance and fuel...

Hey, you have a 2010 Prius. Why am I talking about this? You know that, you bet on the same horse as I did, you know how it races. Pal, you are not alone!

 

18 months before Volt is available nationwide.
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30 MPG combined doesn't exactly shake the industry, compete directly with Prius, or even do enough to achieve CAFE requirements.
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You guys can and will debate the numbers forever. Each citing a unique scenerio that "makes your point."

For fun, look at the December 2010 Consumer Report. Page 65, "How the Brands Compare." Scion scores best in predicted reliability. Honda forth, Toyota sixth. Chevrolet ... well they are down at seventeenth. Even Kia is higher. Chrysler is dead last, as one might expect. The next three pages reveal the details.

The Volt is a very expensive niche vehicle with a very small niche. All those arguing in behalf of the Volt on this thread, tout EV capabilities in an under 40 mile commute. I suppose a few do commute less than 40 miles, but how many can afford the car solely for commuting. Certainly not a one car, new family, and anyone that can afford the car as a second vehicle, the cost of gas is not that important. The greater appeal is to those that want to cut the dependence on foreign oil. A valid point, but I would choose a Leaf if that were my interest. With the emission numbers I have seen, you cannot promote the Volt on low emissions (except within it's very limited range). Then factor in GM's poor reliability ..... I just do not see these adding up to a brand that will sell the tens and hundreds of thousand of units that will be needed to make it profitable.

 

Not so fast USB....,

Gasoline manufactured and delivered is hardly anything close to 100 % efficient. If you fed back back the gasoline (or petroleum equivalent) that it takes to refine the gasoline, and transport it to the user, how much gasoline would you get per gasoline equivalent input?

Indeed, its comonly said it takes as much electricity to make a gallon of gas, as an EV needs to travel the same distance a traditional car would use that gallon of gas to travel.

And I am not even talking about the 5 mile long ethanol trains outside my window, daily, yet!

 

I think I must have phrased that wrong. I want more competitors. I don't want Toyota to be the only efficient car maker. Competition will push it to be better.

Probably more than that in some places, given the likely demand. But they will be selling here, now. The phv prius, I have no idea when the nation wide roll out will really be. If the do what they are proposing for the rav 4 ev it will only be sold in carb states for a while, which means none here in austin. I figure if someone is looking at a volt today a 36 month lease isn't going to really interfere with them getting a phv prius some time in the future. Why cloud the issue. If you are in one of the initial volt roll out areas, the phv prius is at least 20 months away.
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No 29/42 falls short of 51/48 but you made it sound like no one would buy a cruze. They will sell hundreds of thousands a year world wide. Just as 0 ev miles doesn't really compete with 35 ev miles. Many more will buy a prius than a volt, chevy and lg couldn't make enough batteries to build enough volts for the prius volume. Well until gen 2

Those are the common scenarios. These people that comute 100 miles a day are outliers, although many are on prius chat. I think the figure is 75% of Americans commute less than 40 miles.

Stop right there. I would never read cr for a car, but the quality reputation is something going against gm and is a legitamate issue. It is also a spanking new car. These issues do not make the idea of buying a phev a bad one, but could make you not want a volt. Hell I like the numbers, but I have a car that is only a year old, and I don't like gm, so I won't be buying a volt soon.

 

A 40 mile commute is difficult for me to contemplate. I am retired now, but never in my working life did I ever live within 20 miles of work .... and neither did most of my co-workers.

You should read CR sometimes. I have consistently read CR only in recent years, but I find their reports right on the mark. The only problem I have with some of their reports is they test a model (TV, computer, or some other consumer product) that is not available in the local store. I get follow-along questionaires about various products .... and they always ask about reliability. I honestly believe their reviews are more objective than .... say Motor Trend.

Thank you for your comments.

 

Interesting to know that's how you interpretted it.

The intent was to point out how 30-some MPG is status quo.

Sadly, we've become familiar with doing just the minimum.
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Volt has Torsion beam rear suspension like the Prius. It doesn't have independent suspension like Audi or BMW.

Volt also lack many of the high tech features of Prius such as, parking assist, radar assist cruise control, LED headlight, solar panels, etc..