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Is driving too lean hard on the battery?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by jmooney, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. jmooney

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    My wife and I have been trying to beat our average mpg on our 06' and have dropped down to almost half on our battery meter in the process. We did get to 53.7 mpg though. Most of the time it stays one notch from full to 3/4 full when we drive normal. We only get 46mpg that way though. Our car has 95k miles on it but only about 1k on a new traction battery. We want it to last another 100k if possible so just a little curious if it is wearing out the battery prematurely by running the battery lower than normal.
     
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    If by "too lean" means that you're accelerating so lightly that you're trying to accelerate in EV only (ICE off), that's not the most efficient way to drive anyway. For efficiency, you want to minimize battery use, both in and out.

    As for new traction battery, did it fail and get replaced under warranty? What were the symptoms and DTCs? Where's WahWahi? Is it in Hawaii? If so, for longevity, I'd suggest you try to keep the car's interior temperature down (when possible) by parking in a garage or carport, in the shade, putting up a sun shade, etc.
     
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    wait, what? new battery? wahwahi? hawaii? did i miss something?
     
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    Hmm, well, didnt know that. We were driving down our road and would let off the gas and then accelerate slowly, it seemed like it would jump well over 50-70mpg and stay there a while. We will drive normal from now on and keep the battery up.

    As for the battery, I cant tell you the exact symptoms because I didnt own the car then. I was told from the dealer that it was brought in at 95k with a bad cell in the battery. Toyota said replace it instead of fix it so they did. The warranty did replace it. I have guessed that the owners decided to trade up instead of wait for them to replace the battery. Lucky for us, the car looks brand new inside and out. Even under the hood is spotless and all the engine tags and warning stickers are there still.
     
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    if you do a little searching and reading on improving mpg, you should be able to get up to 55-65 if you're so inclined. and no, you cannot reduce the life of the battery no matter how you drive.:)
     
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    Hi jmooney. Technically yes, the more you "cycle" the battery then the faster it will age. In practice however I don't think the type of driving you describe would impact on battery life very much. It's more like hard driving in mountainous terrain and at high temperatures that are likely to stress the battery and shorten it's useful life.

    Battery wear and tear aside, try to judge your fuel efficiency over a full tank when making comparisons. Yes you'll easily increase your instantaneous MPG's by running in electric only mode, but eventually the engine has to cut in and then work harder to recharge the battery with the overall result often being poorer fuel efficiency.

    Hyper-milers will do that trick (coax it to stay in all electric mode and allow the battery charge to run down) when there is an opportunity to recharge for free, typically when a good long downhill immediately follows. On flat roads however you're generally better not to try and coax it too much (it will still go all electric when it wants to) and thus avoid the charge dropping too low.
     
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    Theoretically the shorter the range of battery used, the longer the battery life.

    The best mpg is obtained by using the battery as little as possible. The Prius gets it's good mpg mainly because the engine is sized for steady state driving rather than acceleration. The electric motors are there primarily to provide power for additional acceleration. They also allow the engine to be turned off when the power demand is so low that even the efficient Atkinson cycle engine would be inefficient.

    Every time you use the battery you go through an additional energy conversion loss.

    The best way is to treat the battery like a credit card: Used sparingly a credit card can even out the month's cash flow. Used too much and you won't be able to pay it back and will get high interest fees.

    My 2004 Prius has a lifetime average of 57 mpg over 115,000 miles.
     
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    First you're not driving "lean". This refers to the air-fuel ratio in the engine, and you're not controlling that by driving more efficiently. You're controlling use of the engine in high load situations and minimizing loss through braking.

    Second, I doubt anyone could show facts that indicate the traction battery life can be influenced by how you drive, short of running out of fuel. The level of charge in the battery has nothing to do with its' service life. It's a NiMH battery, and can be left at any charge level indefinitely with no effect on its' life.

    So go ahead and drive in the most efficient way you can. The HSD will take care of the battery for you.
     
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    For best fuel economy, accelerate briskly from a stop, but otherwise drive as if you have no brakes (but not so much that other drivers will want to kill you, of course).

    By The Way, if you don't have the owner's manual, get one from a dealer or online. It's full of stuff you need to know.
     
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    The system is designed in a way the computer will protect the battery. It will not allow the battery to drop below a certain point as well as above a certain point. So really I don't think you can do any damage just by the way you drive the car. So, I say drive it the way you want to drive it.