Remote Start Doesn't Keep the Car On

This involves pushing one button, right?

Short of killing all lawyers in the US, I do not foresee a way for Toyota to defeat this and not be sued.

 

Just the way it works. Even if you go aftermarket, it will turn off when you open the door. Doesn't defeat the purpose of a remote start since the reason you get one is to either heat or cool your car a few minutes before you get in it.

 

My husband had a Dodge Ram with remote start and would run for about 10 min until it would shut off. When you open the door it would continue to run but I am guessing that on the Prius it has something to do with the push button start.

 

I believe it's the equivalent of the remote starts of "yesteryear" where you had to insert the key and turn it to IG in order to maneuver the car. Does GM use the push-button start on all of their models? I'd be curious as to how all of the other car makers do remote start with regard to those models that use a "smart key" and push button start.

I'm guessing that if the requirement to over-ride the pressing of the start button was implemented, then they'd have to have it required that the car could essentially be stolen. Whether or not the thief would have the key at this point, would be mute if they got into the vehicle. Even without a key, they can still take the car if it's fully on and the key isn't registered. This is part of the built-in security that allows you to continue to drive your car if the battery in the key fob dies.

Again, I don't know for certain, but that would be my guess if I had to make one.

 

I have the factory remote start for my 2010. Here are the pros and cons

Cons:
It only works from about 30 feet
The car only runs for 10 minutes at a time
After 10 minutes you can start it again but only for 10 minutes
After the second time you start the car, you cannot remote start it again.
There is no feedback on the remote to tell you the car is running,
There is no feedback on the car that it is running except at night your lights might come on if you left them on or you have auto lights.

Pros:
It starts the car remotely as advertised.

 

GM has one of the best remote starts systems available right now.
We get a few GM cars thru a partnership with a local dealership and I have expirience the system in many GM vehicles.

Non-Smart Entry/Smart Start Equipped GM vehicles
1) Press the lock button on the fob once (twice if you want the car to confirm is locked by sounding the horn once).
2) Press and hold the remote start button for three seconds
3) Hazzard lights will flash
4) Vehicle will start
5) Parking lights will illuminate for the duration of the remote start period.
6) Depending on the outside temperature the vehicle will engage A/C or the Heater (i have only expirienced GM vehicles with automatic climate control).
7) Walk to the car and press the unlock button on the fob.
8) Door or Doors will unlock
9) Engine remains on, the A/C is running but no lights on the instrument cluster or dash operate during remote start mode.
10) place the key in the ignition and move it to the on position.
11) Operate the vehicle as normal.

Smart/Entry and Start Equipped GM vehicles

Steps 1-6 are the same as above
7) Walk to car and pull the door handle
8) GM cars will unlock the door as you pull the handle (no sensor on the back of the handle)
9) same as above
10) press the engine start button
11) operate the vehicle as normal

 

I've used Viper remote starters on my last 4 or 5 cars, including a Gen I that I traded for my current Gen III. Now I would like to install another on this car. The OE remote starter is way over priced and way under performing. Viper does make a product that supposedly will function on a smart key system with the addition of another box that I guess mimics the smart key. So you don't have to give up a key to "slave" the system like in other aftermarket kits. And, it works properly. I still need to talk to an installer to see how sucessful the whole kit is with the Prius. Ballpark figure is between 4 and 5 hundred installed.

 

I am very close to getting my Prius to do this with a Viper Smart Alarm and a DB-ALL module.

I installed an aftermarket auto head light system. With this system the car will work like it normally does. If I want to remote the start the car here I how I think it will work.

1) Use my Android phone to start the car anywhere over the 3G network with visual feedback on the phone showing the car is running. It will run for an unlimited amount of time. I will program and accessory port on the system to turn the auto lights off.

2) When I walk up to the car the doors will be locked. With the key fob in my pocket the doors will open when I touch the door and the car will keep running. I could drive off. I am not sure how I can set the system up to turn the auto light module on at that time.

I have been bugging the guys at XpressKit.com - Interfacing the Past, Present and Future. on how things work. They have been every helpful. They make the module that bridges most remotes and alarm systems to many cars CAN bus.

 

Interesting thread. My fiancee just signed for the car yesterday. We are waiting for the remote start to be installed.

Has anyone tried unlocking the car, while the car is on, with the key fob rather than use the touch sensing door handles? Will the car shut off then?

 

Yes, still shuts off.

 

Just spoke with an installer. I'm getting the Viper Responder One 4203V remote starter with the bypass, (which allows it to function with push button start electronics) and unlock. Its a 2-way system so I'll have confirmation of a start if vehicle is out of view. The 2-way remote and the push button electronics adds a couple hours to the install. Not to mention the additional labor cost. He said normal time to completion is 2 hours but the Prius complications add another couple. So, as to be expected, labor cost is more than half the kit costs. Still came in just at the $500 mark and from what I hear is pretty close to the OEM price. And this one does keep the car on.

Will update after my Jan 4th installation.

 

I am in the process of getting a Viper Smart Start system for my Prius. I might install it myself. They are lying to you about the Prius being more complicated than other Push to start cars. It actually is easier. They only need to connect 7 wires.

CAN low and CAN high that are located under the steering column.

BRX and BTX are next to the fuse box inside the car.

Power and Ground that is next to the fuse box

And one wire that connects to the actually Push to start button in the dash.

Here is a diagram. All the wires in blue are connectors that plug into each othjer.

 

This is an email I sent the company that makes the bridge module called DBALL and their responces.
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I am going to install a Viper Smart Start system in my 2010 Prius with push button start. I sending this email to verify that if I use the DB-ALL the car will work in this matter.

1) When the car is started with a Viper Smart Start and the DB-ALL module, it will continue to run for as long as the Viper system is programmed to run the car. The OEM system only runs the car for 10 minutes and can only be started twice. Yes, will run for the remote starter preset runtime and can be started as many times you want.

2) None of the existing functionality of the car will change. The existing key fob will lock and unlock the doors. If the key fob is 2.5 feet from the door it will open or lock the car using the switch in/on the door handle. If the car is started with the remote start and the key fob is 2.5 feet from the door, it will unlock the door using switch in/on the door handle. Exact.

3) The car will turn off when the door is opened and must be started again. Yes, the vehicle will stop when a door is opened and can only be remote started when all doors are closed.

 

Thanks, interesting. My bypass module is an iDatalink model ADSTB. As far as the install time goes I suppose they break down the labor into 3 separate charges to justify the total. Doesn't matter really the total dollars is in same OE ballpark and with my colorblinded eyes one exploit into the dashboard could lead to an insurance claim--life and auto. Less expense is better but not at the cost of expertise. Hey, thats kinda profound. Anyhoo, all will be revealed after the Jan 4 install. Let me know how your systems works if you go ahead with it.