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Battery drained for no apparent reason

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Sakamura, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. Sakamura

    Sakamura New Member

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    Just had my first battery boost for my year-old Prius 2K10.

    This morning I went to start the car, it didn't open the door for me, then I had all troubles in the world turning the key ... And obviously nothing was opening, no lights, nothing.

    I had my car boosted. First time they put the booster, I couldn't start the car (everything showed up but starting the car didn't start the conventional motor - the lights were all on). They unplugged it (everything disappeared yet again) and plugged it back in ... Then I could start my car. Of course, everything was reset: time, trip meters, everything.

    That's where I noticed my battery indicator was half-full.

    I tried to recollect what I did differently from usual. When I closed the car 2 days ago, I opened the hood to put some windshield washer, I properly closed the hood, and then I took everything from the passenger seat, and locked the door with the usual button, it beeped as usual. When I went inside the car this morning, I looked everywhere and everything was closed down.

    I seriously don't know what went wrong, and if I should take a meeting with my friendly dealership to check out things... or if it's a known bug.

    Any guess in here?
     
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    I would take it to the dealership. My understanding from reading the Owners Manual is that acessories such as lights, if left on when you leave the car, will be turned off by the car's computer after approximately 20 minutes, as a safeguard. So accidentally leaving on something like a light should not drain the battery, and the culprit is maybe something else.
     
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    Mine doesn't beep when i lock it. It beeps if you have left a door open, or walk away with the keys when it's still running.

    You must have left it in accessory mode, or a light on or a door open.
     
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    Your car has 2 batteries. The big one is the hybrid battery. That's what is displayed on the battery meter as half full.

    The other one is a small 12V battery. When you open the doors, that's what powers the car until you get it into ready. Once in ready mode, there's a charger that charges the little 12V battery off the big one. So, once in ready, it should be ok. (12V power supplied by the charger).

    You either left something on and drained the 12V, or that 12V battery went bad and needs to be replaced.
     
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    The battery meter you describe has absolutely nothing to do with the 12V battery that went dead. The meter displays the approximate state of charge (SOC) of the HV battery, or traction battery, which is used to power the motors and air conditioner of your Prius.

    When you say that the first boost "didn't start the conventional motor", I assume you mean the internal combustion engine (ICE). I assume you realize that the ICE doesn't immediately start when you power up your Prius. Do you mean to say that you couldn't shift to D and move the car?

    As for why your 12V battery went dead, the common cause is leaving on a light, or leaving a door or hatch open.

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  6. Sakamura

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    OIC ... thanks on that ... it's really weird and annoying. 3 questions (other than WHY! OH THE HUMANITY!):
    - Is there any way to monitor that battery? Is it a good time for me to buy one of these scanners to check for that?
    - Other than having my friendly neighborhood car booster come and see me, is there any way to start up the charging process for that battery? After all, I find it ridiculous I can't start my car with a full battery that could start a warp drive because that watch battery died on me. I feel like in Superman 3, where everything died when you remove a single screw from the computer.
    - I'm seriously trying to figure out what I could've done wrong in here, and the only thing I could think of is opening the hood. Is there anything that could remain open without my knowledge, and still have the remote key properly lock the doors and do the cute little beep?

    EDIT: added qbee quote and answer :
    Yes I assume that ... and normally, when it starts, it beeps a few time, then after 3-4 seconds, it starts the ICE, especially at -12c ;) ... It mostly looked like I had not pressed the brake, and went in ACC instead... And it didn't want to do anything the first time it got boosted. Then, the external battery got disconnected, reconnected a few times, I closed the power, and started it back up, then it worked.

    -- end edit

    Thanks for the answers.
     
  7. GrumpyCabbie

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    A very common one would be the rear hatch not fully closing, leaving the boot/trunk light on. This might be enough to run the 12v battery flat.

    As others have said, the HV battery display bears no relation to the 12v. I would add the 12v isn't as 'strong' as in a normal car as it doesn't need to turn over starter motors - it just powers the computers so the Prius can start the car via the big HV battery.
     
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    This is a catch 22. The 12 v battery powers the computers that test the rest of the car. If the 12 v battery is dead, we can't power the computer to report it. If the 12v battery can power the computers it is usually healthy enough no errors would show. So, no, there are no computer diagnostics. There is a diagnostic screen you can use to run tests:

    Toyota Prius 12 Volt Auxiliary Battery with install kit for 2004 - 10

    About 3/4 of the way down this page is the '[FONT=arial, helvetica]Prius battery test procedure for 2004 to 2010 Prius Cars'.[/FONT]
     
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    I hope that you never experience this again. But if you do try this, it's straight from your owners manual. I'm not certain, but this looks like a way to get the HV traction battery power to start the hybrid system if the 12 volt battery is dead.


    When the hybrid system does not start, the following steps can be
    used as an interim measure to start the hybrid system if the
    “POWER” switch is functioning normally.
    Set the parking brake.
    Set the “POWER” switch to the ACCESSORY mode.
    Push and hold the “POWER” switch for about 15 seconds
    while depressing the brake pedal firmly.
    Even if the hybrid system can be started using the above steps, the
    system may be malfunctioning. Have the vehicle checked by your
    Toyota dealer.
     
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    I just happened to reading the above in my manual, on a crowded commuter bus this afternoon. My take: it's not meant to bypass a depleted 12 volt, it's just to bypass some fault detection system for the hybrid battery system and motor. As far as I know, the car can't think without a functioning 12 volt battery, ie: it needs it to "boot".
     
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    Mmm obviously to take the windshield washer I had to open the boot. And it happened to me more than once that this stupid door would be nearly closed, but not totally, where a slight bump would make the "Door open" appear, and then the system showing me a yellow exclamation with a "Key found in car" (sorry, loose French translation) message for 15 seconds. That's kind of weird. And my hunch is this is actually dangerous as the boot could open anytime, so it should be permanently repaired by Toyota. But I digress.

    I am not sure it's the problem, however, as I don't think I opened the boot, and I haven't got any message saying it misclosed in the hour I drove it this morning.


    Thank you for the link. I am puzzled about how to check for that in my car though, it doesn't seem to fit with my particular Prius 2K10 model. I don't really have a touchscreen display to use. Guess I'll have to go inside my instructions manual. (BTW: always fun to have an iPhone, and have all your downloadable instructions manuals for your car inside it :) Makes great reading in case of a problem)


    No, the car is really dead when the battery is dead, even opening the door with the key is hard to do, and I cannot go to accessory, not even the door lights open. Nothing opens at all. That, I can confirm that much.


    Hey thank you people for support, it's really appreciated!


    What I find hard is actually not knowing that could've happened. I don't really care the 12v battery becoming depleted, but I'm mostly worried about what I did wrong, as it could happen anytime. So next time I'll open the motor compartment, I'll be worrying if I can start back the morning after. And same for anything that I might do oddly. I won't sleep soundly tonight, let's just say ("mild" exaggeration here :) ). At least I'm not in a horror movie or else it would simply not work. ^_^

    I could always buy these lighter booster, in case it happens again. They're small and handy, and since I wouldn't need that much power, it'd be perfect.

    Small people observation: funny also how 3 groups stopped to nag about an electric car needing an electric boost. I didn't had that with other cars. People :)
     
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    I wouldn't worry about it too much; maybe you left a dome light on, or turned the headlights or parking lights on after turning the car off, or maybe it was just a fluke. If it doesn't happen again, not much point in worrying about it. My battery died about 6 months ago, but has been fine since. I theorized that the installation of a ScanGauge was the culprit, but it hasn't caused any problems since, so I might have suffered the same fate of leaving a light on or something. If it happens again in the near future, then you can worry about it - and maybe discover a commonality between the two events that caused the drain.
     
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    I thought "left-on" lights would go off too, but that did not happen with a map light that I left on for about 6 hours. I only discovered it accidently when I went out to my dark garage one night. Fortunately, I did not have a problem starting the car the next morning. I know my headlamps will turn off after 20 seconds, but my map light sure didn't.

    Happy Motoring,

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    system showing me a yellow exclamation with a "Key found in car" (sorry, loose French translation) message for 15 seconds. T



    You mention "Key found in car" light......are you sure the other key fob is not within the car....this would also be your problem. !!!!!!!
     
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    There have been other threads here suggesting some of the production runs of the G3 had a defective 12 volt battery that ran down quickly. There shouldn't be any impact on the 12 volt battery by opening the hood. I assume you got no other error messages on the MFD or lights when you got the "boost".

    I had suggested Toyota incorporate another icon in the MFD showing the health of the 12 volt battery. At least you would have had a "heads up" something was going wrong with it.

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    A small head's up... next morning (yesterday), it did happen again! :censored::censored::censored: Obviously never at the best of times, you expect your car to plain work. So I got my car booted up again, then I did my errands, and went to have a friendly chat with my friendy Toyota dealer. It turned out the dome light for the back of the car was left open! Event that triggered this was my one of my first xmas party, I had too much booze so I used a service where they drive back your car. The accompanying person must've opened the light. Since I haven't driven night time since then, I never noticed. I never even knew this light existed! :mad: Battery level was 3/4 off, and its health is 99% OK.

    I'm still mad about this whole situation, seriously. I do understand the reason to delegate power consumption to a 12V battery instead of using the full battery, but then it should be able to charge itself when depleted, or protect the sacrosaint "ready", and have enough power to do its biddings.

    I'm also very curious on WHY a simple little light could take enough power to drain a full battery in 12 hours to a nearly unusable point. Isn't there other things on that battery, like car door power, computer, remote, and so on? How come that light would take that much power? Second suggestion: these lights should be LEDs if they aren't.

    I'm nearly scared of leaving my car for 1 week without running it now, if a simple light can deplete this in a matter of hours ... Anyways... It's now corrected, all are happy.


    You are right, it could happen :) But no, this happen when I drive and the boot is not fully closed.


    My impression: this is actually a system fault. There is no reason whatsoever for us to know this 12V battery exists. And to have ways it could impede car functions is totally ridiculous. I agree AT THIS STAGE it should be shown because it can have dire consequences if it's depleted. However, I'd vote for the battery to either auto-charge itself when in a dangerous level, or to stop everything nonessential after 2 hours parked, whichever comes first. Precisely like you cannot move the windows after you open a door.


    Cheers all and thanks for the fish.
     
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    Glad you got it sorted. Not sure the car can be to blame. If you'd left the back dome light on in a normal car it might have run the battery flat. The Prius 12v is weaker in that it doesn't have to start a car but equally it's not meant to power a lamp for a 24 hour period in cold conditions either.

    At least problem is solved and no damage done. :)
     
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    Welcome :welcome:
    I'm sorry you had such a bad early ownership experience. You will enjoy your Prius !:rockon:
     
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    This is from the Owners Manual, Section 3-4, Page 366:​


    To prevent 12 volt battery discharge
    If the interior lights and personal lights on when the door is not fully closed or
    the interior light switch in door position, the lights will go off automatically
    after 20 minutes.


    Customization that can be configured at Toyota dealer
    Setting (e.g. The time elapsed before lights turn off) can be changed.

    (Customizable features P. 587)




    The reference to page 587 seems a red herring: I see no mention of a 20 minute interval that can be changed, in that whole section.​
     
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    Toyota really needs something like GM battery rundown protection. In my last car the only way you could run down the battery is if you had the keys in the car and had the ignition turned on. If you had the keys out of the car every light inside, the headlights would go off on there own after a set ammount of time. if GM has been doing this for over 12 years why can a prius also do this, this would prevent 99% of the dead battery problems.
     
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