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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by daniel, Feb 12, 2010.

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  1. Rae Vynn

    Rae Vynn Artist In Residence

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    Thank you, Daniel. :)

    I'll second the dead animal parts thing, and add my own:

    Celebrating Peace, Love, Good Will towards men means torturing and killing animals? Really?
    I recall that, somewhere in the book of Proverbs, there is a verse about how only evil men treat their livestock cruelly. The vast majority of animal products available in grocery stores is sourced from very cruelly treated animals - eggs, dairy, and meat. I won't even post a link to a site that shows examples, as I think it desensitizes some people.

    Anyway, we do very little in the way of gift giving - we drink Soy Nog, and we watch at least two versions of "A Christmas Carol*". :p

    *The version starring George C. Scott, and the Muppets Christmas Carol.
     
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  2. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Well, since I don't believe he was resurrected, he could be rolling over in his grave. Except that he probably was not buried at all: The Romans did not allow crucified people to be buried: They were left on the cross to be eaten by birds and other wild animals. That was part of the punishment. So it's really just a figure of speech.

    How about Christians dropping bombs on children in wars for oil to fuel our gas guzzlers, and the trucks that bring Xboxes and iPhones to stores? Of course, Constantine, the first Christian emperor, pretty much established Christianity as a banner under which to fight wars of imperialism.

    If Soy Nog tastes anything like eggnog, blech! I was at a christmas party once where eggnog was being served. I asked for whiskey or bourbon or brandy instead (this was when I was still an alcoholic) and I was told that because it was a Christmas party I'd have to drink eggnog or nothing. Talk about people forcing their religion on non-believers! Actually, wine would be the appropriate drink for a Christmas party. Jesus never turned water into eggnog!
     
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    Speaking only as a non-member --

    My understanding is that this materialistic orgy derives from an ancient solstice holiday predating Christianity, and the merger of the once distinct celebrations greatly offends some Christian sects. We are not even certain when Christ was born, except that it was very unlikely in our December, more likely spring. The current date appears to be an attempt to co-opt the prior solstice celebration.

    For many believers, Easter is far more important -- and they want no part of Easter bunnies.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Easter is also from a pagan holiday predating Christianity. While Easter is a far more important Christian holiday, it is also easily the most pagan. Even the name hasn't changed: Easter, from Eostre, the goddess of the dawn. Easter is a spring equinox holiday, complete with fertility symbols: eggs and bunnies.

    Tom
     
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  6. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Fabulous!!!

    Hey, eating a chocolate rabbit is what Easter is all about! I feel unfulfilled if I don't get my chocolate Easter rabbit.

    Of course we all know that these celebrations come from Pagan rituals that long predate Christianity. They were permitted by Christian authorities because local populations who agreed to be "converted" officially, continued to really believe in their older religions.

    So what's going on when people today celebrate Pagan rituals on Christian holidays? I'll tell you what's going on: 99% of people who call themselves Christians today are no more Christian than the King of Saudi Arabia. Americans, with a few exceptions, belong to the Church of Greed and they worship Money as their god.
     
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  7. patsparks

    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    I'm no Christian either Daniel, all I want for Christmas is to spend the day with my lady and our families. We will eat a little heated flesh and drink a little fermented juice and smile and laugh. I'll give some children some small token to make them smile and we will all go our own way until next year. This part of Christmas I love.

    God gave his only son that 33 years later he could take him back and in doing so that would lift the burden of our sins? Why? God I'm thick because I don't get that.
     
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    2k1Toaster Brand New Prius Batteries

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    "The Invention of Lies" is a great comedy by Gervais that is just great. I think Daniel would enjoy it. :)

    As a "heathen" I love how we can celebrate Christmas for what it is, a greedy present swapping day and we dont have to pretend it has even the slightest religious undertone to it. Christmas is for gifts, vacations, and family bickering. Nothing to do with the magic fairy in the sky. I am also surprised by how little religious people tend to know about their religion and religion in general.
     
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    I'm cheezed off.
    I have my week fully planned including Christmas drinks and lunch at head office but now my boss sends me a text message (on my day off) telling me to schedule Thursday and Friday for removal of lateral maker buoys at Caloote!! Why does work need to get in the way of a good time?

    Now I need to get my shopping done today, because I'm busy all week in my own time too. I'll be happy when December 26 rolls around!
    <end rant>
     
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    "The Invention of Lying" and yeah, it's awesome, especially if you really give it the once over for literary prowess. We're not used to movies standing up to that kind of thing over here in the US.
     
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    Yes, the invention of lying, whoops :)

    I had not even heard of it until I saw it on HBO. But I live in a town that violently threatened a Cinemark theatre when they were going to play Religulous by Bill Maher (another good one). The idiots won and they didnt play the movie there, so we had to wait until it came out on DVD to see it.
     
    #231 2k1Toaster, Dec 21, 2010
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    Yumm! Soy Nog sounds delicious.
     
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    In our casa, the preferred year's end beverage is Puerto Rican
    coquito, a coconut based "nog." Recipe
    I can't post my partner's recipe because it's a "family secret!"

    Oh yes, and our wishes for a warmest Happy Winter Solstice to all.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice]Winter solstice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
     
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  14. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Here's the version that a logical reading of the Bible leads to: (Caveat: I don't believe any of it. But Christians completely misinterpret their own book.)

    God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. I.e., they were to remain innocent about good and evil, like the animals. But Satan, in the form of a snake (who still had arms and legs, since in what followed he was deprived of them and made to crawl on his belly even though the snake was entirely innocent since it was Satan who possessed him and did the tempting) told the innocent Eve that she'd be like god if she ate the fruit. Satan was more clever than Eve, having had billions of years more life experience, and she fell for his ruse.

    So Adam and Eve ate, and god cursed them and their offspring. This was unfair and unjust. A good spanking might have been justified, or a half an hour standing in the corner, but god had not given them the intelligence to resist the temptation, and as for their offspring, well, they were entirely innocent.

    Two thousand years ago, people sacrificed animals to god to atone for their sins. This is unfair and unjust also, because it's the people who sinned, not the animals, but that's how it was. So god finally admitted that he was unjust in blaming all of Adam & Eve's descendants for their original sin, and agreed that there would be one last sacrifice: In the spirit of killing innocent animals to atone for someone else's sin, god agreed to sacrifice his own son to atone finally for Adam & Eve's sin. So he sent Jesus to Earth to live and finally be sacrificed.

    This wiped out original sin and allowed us all to begin with a clean slate.

    Christians, being egotistical like all humans, think that Jesus died for their sins, to make them pure, so all they'd have to do is believe in the sacrifice in order to have their own sins wiped clean, but if you follow the story logically, Jesus's sacrifice only wiped Adam & Eve's sin off the accounts of their descendants (us), so that now we only have to answer for our own sins, not the sins of the first man and woman.

    Again, I don't believe any of this, and it's full of unfairness, (the Book of Job explains that god is not fair and does not have to be fair because he's god and can squish us like a bug if he damn well pleases) but this is what you come to if you read the Bible without the outside traditions that Christians have piled onto their interpretation of it.

    I hope this makes it all clear.

    Looks interesting. I've put it on my NetFlix queue.
     
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  15. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    Perfectly. I like your stories. "The snake was innocent!" should be a bumper sticker. :)

    Tell us the one about how all of humanity descended from Adam and Eve, yet incest is a sin. ;)

    Do true Christians eat apples? :rolleyes:
     
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    Not according to some groups
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    I'm not sure that incest is forbidden in the Bible. But in any case, the Commandments were not given until much later.

    As for apples, there is no mention of apples in Genesis. I really have no idea who decided that "the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" was an apple. Therefore there is no reason for Christians not to eat apples.

    On the other hand, anybody who truly believes in Jesus would give away everything he owns other than one cheap set of clothing, would never judge another person, would never use violence, would submit to evil treatment without retaliation and would even give the evildoer more than he had taken, etc., etc.

    But apples are okay.
     
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    The King Daniel version of the bible. Is it available on the Kindle?

    Tom
     
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    More likely would be the Old Testament Book of Daniel:

    The Book of Daniel, as it now stands in the ordinary Hebrew Bibles,
    is generally divided into two main parts. The first includes a series of
    narratives which are told in the third person (chaps. i-vi), and the
    second, a series of visions which are described in the first person
    (chaps. vii-xii). The opening chapter of the first series may be
    considered as a preface to the whole work. It introduces to the reader
    the Hebrew heroes of the book, Daniel and his three fellow-captives,
    Ananias, Misael, and Azarias, and records the manner in which these
    noble youths obtained a high rank in Nebuchadnezzer's service,
    although they had refused to be defiled by eating of the royal food. The
    second chapter relates a disquieting dream of the king which Daniel
    alone was able accurately to set forth and interpret.

    I can see a philosophical parallel with the Daniel of our acquaintance. ;)

    From here. Much more on the 'Net of course.
     
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  20. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    I have not yet published my version of the Bible, but Thomas Jefferson edited the N.T., cutting out everything he regarded as nonsensical and presenting Jesus as an Enlightenment philosopher.
     
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