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  1. daniel

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    I've been subscribing to NetFlix for a long time. I watch movies on a projector and a nice big screen. A while back NetFlix started streaming some of their movies, but you need to install the Microsoft Searchlight (?) program on your computer, which means guaranteed security holes into your computer, so I won't do that. But that's okay because I just keep getting my movies on DVD. But now they're raising their prices to pay for the streaming video service which they include with their DVD subscription service, and charge you whether you use it or not.

    An alternative is to buy a "NetFlix ready" device, which you can connect to a TV or projector. I never considered that because I assumed the resolution would be poor.

    But when I phoned to complain about the price hike for a service I don't use, they assured me that their streaming video is now higher resolution than a DVD. I looked on Amazon and the cheapest NetFlix ready device gets very bad reviews.

    So I'm interested in opinions regarding the whole concept of streaming video. Is it really better than DVD quality now? (My internet download speed is many times greater than what they told me would be necessary to get their best video quality.) I am definitely not interested in buying a new computer (xbox, or whatever) just to have a NetFlix ready device, but if quality and reliability and price are reasonable, I might consider just getting a streaming media device. I would of course need to be able to plug it into my DVD player, which connects to the projector and speakers.

    All opinions and advice welcome. (Please mention whether your opinions are based on personal experience or reports from others.) Thanks in advance.
     
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    The new Apple $99 buck unit... see below
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B001FA1NK0?tag=priuschatcom-20 not a bad route to go. This is a much impoved version of their first attempt. Streaming video requires bandwidth, if your download speed is better than 2meg or so, you should be fine.
    As fa as BETTER, that would all be deteremined if the source material was a DVD playback into a their servers and then streamed to you, or if they have the file the DVD was made from already in their servers. However I doubt that that is the case.
    At ABC we have a Fiber Data line into our plant, New York streams the network shows into our servers and they are then streamed out over satellite to end use ABC affiliate stations.

    I woud like to also try the Apple unit, nice thing is it is seperate from your computer, I am not hot however on the monthly fees. It would be nice if you could buy, say a 2 year contract, a pay for it all at once, discount to about $7.50 tops a month,
    The only problem going this route you CANNOT make a DVD copy of the movie for yourself, and you have a limited time to view that movie that you just downoaded.
     
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    Get one of the Roku player. It is exactly what you are looking for, under $60.
     
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    It's not too bad lately -- I use my PS3 player to stream a movie occasionally from Netflix, but they were lying to you about it being better resolution than a real DVD. It's the same base resoultion as a DVD, but it's highly compressed, so you get weirdyness like compression artifacts an high motion blur/stuttering that you don't get with a DVD.

    I'll never switch over to streaming Netflix for anything but spur of the moment watching. And I'm just screwed by the price increase with no benefit.

    fwiw, That's Silverlight and it's actually fairly secure, way more than Flash which is probably what you're thinking about.
     
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    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    I have been streaming it over Wii (480p) on a 720p TV and have not noticed motion blur yet (so far). It looks just as good as DVD.

    There isn't as much selection with the streaming though.
     
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    The last movie I watched was almost unwatchable because of the motion stuttering/blur/artifacts. It could be a difference in what we're watching though -- the movie I watched was "The book of the Kells." Very bright colors and animated... (Played on a 1080p TV at 1080p)

    That too.
     
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    The new Blu Ray players seem to come with Internet streaming. At least, all the ones at Costco seem to.

    I have a friend with Apple TV. He loves it, I laugh at him about it (not behind his back, either)... it takes days for him to get a movie downloaded, and there is a time limit to how long he has it. With Netflix, it's there, streaming, and you can watch it over and over, no additional charge.
     
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    I've got both an Apple TV and a Wii at home (Apple TV since I digitized my movie library for easy transport on my laptop or easy viewing anywhere in my house, Wii for the sheer fun of it), and have tried streaming netflix from both of them. In both cases, it works great and the video quality is at least as good as DVD, if not better in some cases. I prefer to use the Apple TV, however... I like the interface better, and I can use my Logitech remote control that controls everything else (TV, receiver, DVR, blu-ray player) with it, where as I'm pretty much stuck using a Wii-mote to control the Wii.

    At $99, there's a lot that's awesome about the Apple TV... although renting HD movies through it is, as Rae said, troublesome... something I really don't understand. If I rent an HD movie from iTunes on my computer, it'll download pretty quickly (I can start watching after just a few minutes, or have the whole thing downloaded in an hour), and can even stream from that to the Apple TV. But if i try to rent it straight from the Apple TV, I'll be lucky to be able to start watching it the following day. For expanding my movie collection though, there's nothing better than purchasing from iTunes. No DVD's to mess with, no wasteful packaging. Just a quick download and it's available on my computer, my "main" TV through my Apple TV, or through any other TV I want to hook my laptop up to, any time I want. A ton easier to take with me to watch on a plane ride, too!
     
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    Thanks for all the comments. To reply to a few of them:

    It turns out that the Apple TV has only the HDMI output. The TV in front of my treadmill does not have HDMI input, even though it is an HD TV. So the Apple TV would not work with it. So that's out. (I phoned Apple today and spoke for a long time with a delightful rep who first helped me figure out that the AppleTV won't connect to my downstairs tv set, and then chatted about this and that for some time. Off topic, she said that a lot of people are just waiting for Verizon to carry the iPhone because they cannot stand AT&T.)

    I considered a BluRay player as a way of getting Netflix, but then I could not use it while on the treadmill, since it would be impractical to move it.

    The Roku gets really really bad reviews from users on Amazon.

    Yes, the MS program is Silverlight, not Searchlight. I don't put anything from MS on my computer. I don't trust the security of any MS software. I don't believe in god, but I do believe that Microsoft is Satan.

    I would not likely use streaming media as a replacement for DVDs, but since I'm already paying for it in my NetFlix subscription, it would be nice to be able to use it, and when on the treadmill it would give me more choice when I am between Teaching Company lecture series.

    It looks like for the time being I won't be doing streaming media. I'm going to keep pestering NetFlix to either offer a non-Microsoft way to watch their streaming content, or stop charging people for it if they don't use it.
     
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    I use a Sony PS3. It's a great Blu-ray player, and directly supports Netflix. It works well with most media servers, so you can access content from your computer. As a side benefit you can play games, if you are into that sort of thing.

    The down side is that it is more expensive than a single use device, uses more power, and can be a bit noisier due to the cooling fan.

    Tom
     
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    Depending on the model, it averages 3.5 to 4 stars.
     
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    My device that I can stream Netflix (and YouTube, and Amazon on-demand) is a TiVo Premiere XL HD. It's a great device if you also want the DVR functionality of TiVo, but it's not as cheap as the streaming-only devices.

    It also gets Pandora and Live365 internet radio, and can show pictures/play videos and music from household networked PCs.
     
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    Not interested in a new computer just for the rather small amount of streaming media I'd watch. And that still would not allow me to connect to the downstairs TV in front of the treadmill. I have no use for Tivo, since I have no tv input. Just DVDs. If the AppleTV had worked, I could have just carried it downstairs. I cannot imagine carrying a PS3 downstairs every time I wanted to watch NetFlix streaming media while jogging.

    I'll stick with DVDs for movies, and music on the iPod for jogging when I'm between Teaching Company lectures.
     
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    But you have a microsoft OS? ;)

    I understand your reticence, but Microsoft really isn't any more evil than any large corporation these days, and they actually do put out some good software occasionally.
     
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    Daniel,

    How many movies a month on average do you watch ?
    In my house it became apparent that it was cheaper to buy rentals over the internet a la carte rather than pony up for a subscription. I also went out of my way to avoid NefFlix due to the mountains of spam they originated. Once in a great while I purchase a movie I expect to watch multiple times, and put it in on my iPhone, MacBook Air, and on the mac-mini I have attached to the large TV in the house. At least this is true for 'popular' movies; the older stuff is usually borrowed from the public library in DVD format.

    If the apple device interests you, just the fact that your TV does not have HDMI does not prove the display is not useable. E.g., HDMI to DVI adapters are very common, and cost around $2. Monoprice.com is an excellent place to buy electronic doodads. Another straightforward way to deal with HDMI out is by using a somewhat recent receiver that takes HDMI input and outputs component cable.

    Just my opinion, I think the best streaming (or time shifted) device for movie consumption is an iPad. We are buying one for a number of uses, but I in particular am looking forward to using it at the gym. Be aware though that for now it locks you into iTunes purchased content. I expect that to change as content vendors move away from their current security schemes to HTML5 based ones.
     
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    My Samsung 50" LCD-TV has two USB jacks on the side.
    The built-in reader reads just about all video formats and MP3 files.
    I'm even using an external USB-SATA enclosure with a 3.5" 500g hard disk, and I can navigate.

    (I don't even bother with the PS3 anymore)

    I also saw today on Engadget this device, link here:
    Planex MZK-SNG02US brings DLNA to your SD cards and USB drives -- Engadget
    (not available yet in the US)

    However, use the Search feature of blogs Engadget and Gizmodo, I'm sure you'll find something.

    At one point I bought and used, in Standard Definition only, a USB-enclosure for IDE drives. Plugged the Yellow wire for video and the Red & White for audio, played standard AVI files ok.

    There exists a newer box that handles HD video with either HDMI or the 4-cable analog HD, that's been around for over a year. Gizmodo/Engadget reviewed it.

    Nice in that you plug into your computer, transfer the files into the hard disk, then plug into a HD-TV.

    Before that, I would burn the AVI files on a DVD-Ram disk, and put into my DVD-player.
     
  17. daniel

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    Whatever gave you that idea??? I run OS X Snow Leopard on an iMac. The laptop I used for travel before switching to the iTouch runs Linux. The iTouch, of course, runs the iPhone OS.

    It is not the "evil" of Microsoft that I hate. I actually like Bill Gates's philanthropy. What I hate about MS is that their software is CRAP and has more security holes than a Swiss cheese.

    I watch enough movies that it would cost more to buy them. And I lack the hardware to buy movies over the internet and then watch them through my projector. NetFlix is convenient for me and does not generate any spam. I get an email every tie they mail me a DVD and every time they receive one back. I don't have to open the emails because the subject line gives me the information.

    As above, I watch movies with a projector. An iPad would be a very significant downgrade. On the treadmill it would not matter as much. But I'd have to buy or rent them. With NetFlix I'm already paying, since the downloads are included in the price of the subscription for DVDs.

    Mostly, though, my favorite gadget for the consumption of entertainment is my Kindle DX.
     
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    I was just about to suggest the same thing, SageBrush!

    I know you have an iPod, Daniel... is it a Touch? If so, you could get a cable that lets you output that to your TV:
    Apple Composite AV Cable - Apple Store (U.S.)
    Apple Component AV Cable - Apple Store (U.S.)

    Along with the netflix app:
    Netflix for iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad on the iTunes App Store

    With that combination, you'd be all set. Keep the cable plugged into your TV, go down to the treadmill and plug in the iPod Touch, and start up Netflix!

    I've never tried this myself, but from what Apple's website says about the cables, it should work. might be worthwhile to call that Apple rep back and ask her about it!
     
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    Again, that would mean buying or renting content, when I already subscribe to NetFlix, so I'd be paying twice, since the iPad is not a NetFlix ready device, but merely a portal to iTunes. And I can already buy content from iTunes if I want to. (And I sometimes do: generally music, but also iTouch apps.)

    Edit: Interestingly, when I click on those cables in the Apple page you linked to, I get a "Page not found" error!

    Another edit: I found the cables on a different page. Apparently an iPad is not necessary. I could use the cables with my iTouch. But I'd still have to buy or rent content that I am already paying for with NetFlix.

    Sorry, one more edit: iTunes charges $4 a pop for movie rentals, you have 30 days to watch it, and once you begin, you have 24 hours to finish watching. NetFlix has no time limits, since they use a different fee structure. I often watch half a movie, and then finish it the following evening. iTunes would cut me off. If I did have a NetFlix ready device, I could watch a movie whenever I liked, as many times as I liked. As it is, I can keep a DVD as long as I like and watch it more than once if I like. I once had a very long movie (Dogville, with Nichole Kidman, a slow but really good movie) that it took me three nights to watch. NetFlix? No problem. iTunes, I'd have missed the really good ending.