1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Blowing Out The Carbon?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by bogeybob513, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. bogeybob513

    bogeybob513 rtc513

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2006
    147
    2
    0
    Location:
    Myrtle Beach, SC
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Recently had to floor my wife's Solara and noticed black smoke coming out the exhaust. Never happened with my Prius. Should we periodically floor our cars to force the collected carbon out the exhaust? It used to be the thing to do.
     
  2. firepa63

    firepa63 Former Prius Owner

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2005
    1,761
    208
    0
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Not necessary with the Prius. It's a clean burning engine.
     
  3. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    18,058
    3,074
    7
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    But you might need to clean out your computer monitor, so that you can use a smaller font.

    ;)

    Tom
     
    2 people like this.
  4. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,862
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    I am guessing it was a good idea before about 1975. Since then electronic ignition, fuel injection, variable valve duration timing and lift, etc. make that unnecessary.
     
  5. San_Carlos_Jeff

    San_Carlos_Jeff Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2005
    871
    160
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2012 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    It sounds like your wife's Solara is running rich or has some other sort of problem. I'd bet that the mpg aren't too good on it lately.
     
  6. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    7,663
    1,038
    0
    Location:
    United States
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Ditto that. Get the Solara fixed. Then use E10 in both cars to keep the valves and injectors clean.
     
  7. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I would suggest the same. Have the car looked at. You could have a failing catalytic converter, cracked exhaust manifold, or an O2 sensor going out etc..
     
  8. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    10,096
    4,805
    0
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Could be that your wife drives around real carefully and does have some carbon built up but I googled it and there are alot of discussions about Solara's and Camry's with black smoke issues.
    How many miles and does it burn oil?
     
  9. bogeybob513

    bogeybob513 rtc513

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2006
    147
    2
    0
    Location:
    Myrtle Beach, SC
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    It's an 2005 with only 18,000 miles on it. She does drive VERY slowly. No oil burn so I think it is carbon buildup.
     
  10. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2008
    18,200
    6,472
    0
    Location:
    Green Valley, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2015 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    How often do you change the engine oil and oil filter on the Solara? Considering the low odometer reading, if this is not done at least yearly, I am wondering whether the engine has a sludge problem.
     
  11. EZW1

    EZW1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    722
    80
    7
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Agree. After all, black smoke is a direct indication of a fuel/air mixture too rich. And carbon is also the result of a mixture too rich.

    Does this answer the question?
     
  12. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Agreed. Generally speaking, oil being burnt through an ICE comes out of the exhaust pipes as white in color, not black. Coolant and oil still comes out mostly white. A car running rich usually emits black smoke.

    I've melted more than a few pistons and the white smoke pouring out of my exhaust pipes is the first sign I've done something wrong. :)
     
  13. edthefox5

    edthefox5 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    10,096
    4,805
    0
    Location:
    Clearwater, Florida
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    On alot of american car forums Ford & Chevy a "seafoam" treatment is very common to get rid of heavy carbon buildup.

    Its a can of liquid that you install through a vacuum hose usually the brake booster line and attacks the carbon in the cylinders.
    Its sold in just about every auto parts store there is.
    It can also be put in the gas tank or crankcase.
    After the treatment it will blow all the carbon buildup out the exhaust resulting in a smoke fog in your neighborhood the likes of which you will have never seen before.

    It works apparently to blow out carbon buildup. Is it bad for your engine? I don't know never tried it personally but seen many many posters swear by it with improved engine performance.
    I have never owned a car with heavy carbon buildup.
    The resulting smoke bomb after the treatment that comes out your exhaust is quite a sight though.

    Your call just putting it out there to you.

    There's alot of youtube on it too.

    How to Seafoam your engine the right way.|| Complete DIY || : General Chat
     
  14. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I've used it on my race vehicles and I even used it on the Prius once. The resulting cloud of white smoke is quite a sight and fairly disturbing.

    I do not think the black smoke problem is related to carbon buildup on pistons and such though. The car in question just doesn't have a lot of miles so it should not be choked with carbon or sludge. You never know, weirder things have happened. :)
     
  15. bogeybob513

    bogeybob513 rtc513

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2006
    147
    2
    0
    Location:
    Myrtle Beach, SC
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius

    It's changed twice a year by Toyota dealer. The service rep usually says "
    Are you sure this is the mileage?"
     
  16. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    14,487
    1,518
    0
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Note that because of the unusual way the Prius operates, flooring the go pedal probably would not burn out any carbon that had built up, assuming there was any, which there probably is not because, again, the Prius operates differently.
     
  17. Mr.Vanvandenburg

    Mr.Vanvandenburg Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2007
    1,028
    351
    0
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    Should be pinging on grades or accelerating if carbon is so bad, or maybe she uses premium and it doesn't ping. Carbon does build pretty fast in some cases, so it is possible. My wife had a Taurus that was driven even less than this, pinged like mad on regular with very low miles. I tried to blow it out, but it takes a lot more than a run or two, it takes like a 300 mile road trip. Check air filter?

    I have never seen one Camry pouring out black smoke, and there are a lot of them out there. Maybe I don't get out enough.
     
  18. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I'm still questioning the carbon relationship to black smoke. When you use Seafoam to remove carbon deposits in your engine the resulting smoke is white and not even remotely black. Is the smoke the result of burning the seafoam and there has never been any carbon buildup in my engines or is that carbon deposits won't result in black smoke?

    In my experience:

    White smoke = coolant/water being burned
    Blue tinted white smoke = oil being burned, usually it has coolant in it too
    Black smoke = unburned fuel
     
  19. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    19,011
    4,081
    50
    Location:
    Grass Valley, CA.
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I would check your oil. Smell it and see if there is a strong odor of gasoline in it. If so then you could have some issues with your injectors or your ECU controlling them.
     
  20. Nandros

    Nandros Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2010
    44
    13
    0
    Location:
    Lechaio Corinth, Greece
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Here in Greece Shell offer unleaded gasoline named Vpower &Vpower plus, which is supposed that contains an additive to clean the built-up carbon from the combustion chamber and valves stems. It is a little bit more expensive than the normal gasoline. I don't know if this type of fuel is sold at any other country in Europe or elsewhere. My dealer instructed me to use this gasoline once or twice a year, especially when in vacation, but I had forgot it and this post brought it back to my mind. Has any of you used this fuel or knows about it?