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  1. daniel

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    It probably started because of paddling in a 12-person canoe in Hawaii, though I cannot be sure of that. It started up the day after my second paddling outing. I love paddling and was paddling as hard as I could, for the exercise and the pure fun of it. We probably paddled for an hour, and spent another hour dangling our feet in the water between whiles.

    It wasn't too bad. Stretching helped. Cobra, up dog, down dog, dead bug. On a few days since then (two weeks ago) I felt well enough to ride the exercise bike, and experienced no problems. But I woke up last night and every time I move the wrong way there's a sharp brief pain. Sitting, which didn't bother at all before today, now hurts just a bit.

    And to make matters worse, the clinic where I've gone before for back pain, and which I think maybe helped a little bit, is closed until Monday. So I get to spend Christmas (which I don't believe in anyway) alone and in pain. And I know I have it better than most people my age. Getting old sucks. It's a damn good thing we don't live forever.

    No need to express sympathy.

    A woman once asked the Buddha to restore her dead child to life (something he never did, so it was kind of silly for her to ask, but she was desperate, and after all, he was the Buddha). He replied that he would make the child live again if she would bring him a mustard seed from a household that had never known suffering. She was unable to do so. Of course, he knew she would be unable, because suffering is the nature of life. That, anyway, is the central teaching of Buddhism. We all suffer. Or, as a friend of mine loved to wear on a lapel pin: "Life is shit and then you die." (Or in the Buddhist version, life is shit and then you die and get reborn and the shit starts all over until you die again, over and over and over.) Pain sucks. The reason the world is in such bad shape is because all the really smart people kill themselves. Merry Christmas everyone. May your holidays be happy and pain-free.
     
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    You're always such a delight. :p

    Ice is often best for immediate, localised pain, especially a muscle injury. After a few days, if there's no swelling, you can alternate the ice with some heat. A topical medicated rub, like something meant for arthritic pain, should also bring you some temporary relief.

    I don't want to live forever, either, but there's more to life than suffering. :)
     
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    Having 3 corrupted lower spinal discs as well as 3 neck vertabrae that are shot, I go though this every winter. In fact, I visit the doctor come first cold snap, and he writes a script and I am good to go! I find having a bottle of prescription pain killers in the medicine cabinet comes in handy!!
    Daniel I know your pain, I wish you the best, and Happy Holidays!!
     
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    That really sucks D. Man, I am rethinking out Hawaii vacation. Merry Christmas to you. If you would like I will pray that your back would be healed or at least feel better.?
     
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    Swear to God*, I first thought you were going to complain about the Prius seats. :madgrin:

















    * Or whatever deity you would like to swear to.
     
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    I took an Aleve this morning, and an aspirin at mid-day. Prescription pain killers (which I've had after surgery) don't seem to do much good. I had morphine once, which was great, but I don't think I can get a prescription for that. :)

    No reason to cancel the Hawai'i vacation. Just don't paddle a canoe as hard as you can if you already have a bad back. And if you want to pray for something for me, pray for an end to homelessness. Though if god exists and doesn't care enough to provide for the homeless, I don't think your prayer is going to change his mind. My back will get better eventually, but just think how great I'd feel if suddenly there were no homelessness and it turned out that it was all because I had asked you to pray for it! :rockon:

    The Prius seats are better than the ones in the Xebra. :(

    Thanks everyone for all the good wishes. (Oh, and my preferred deity is of course the only true one: The Flying Spaghetti Monster, who doesn't listen to prayers. He's too busy partying at the beer volcano.)
     
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    Maybe beer is your answer, then.

    :D
     
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    Oh good because I really want my family to see and feel paradise. I really enjoy the nearly two weeks I was there long time ago.

    Well I probably won't pray for something (the poor, homelessness, etc) He already mentioned will be with us till the end of time [Mark 14:7]. But if you have a particular person or family in mind, I would be happy to.
     
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    DMSO Gel is very effective for reducing pain from muscle injury. Too high a concentration of DMSO can cause a skin rash, but I've found the gel form to be ok. I've run a 10K the day after twisting my ankle so badly that I could hardly walk. With DMSO, it was ok to run.

    Strange as it may seem, high dose vitamin C reduces (perhaps the better term is prevents) pain. Real unbuffered ascorbic acid is the effective form, in as high a dose as you can tolerate. The game is to identify the dose required to neutralize the free radicals at the injury. Too little and it doesn't work, too much and you get, ah, GI track problems.

    I remember Dr. Robert Cathcart explaining how he had taken 65 grams of C in the two hours after a half dozen stitch injury. Without the injury, his max was probably 10 grams or less.

    You'll have to figure out the proper dosage yourself, based on your individual response to your situation. I certainly wouldn't start at 65 grams. I've treated a cold with a teaspoon of powdered ascorbic acid (about 3-4 grams) every 2 hours for a day. UMMV.

    Back in 2003, Dr. Tom Levy gave a two hour presentation to Smart Life Forum on the clinical use of vitamin C. I don't think he mentioned pain relief, but he did cover an amazing range of effects that are not generally acknowledged. The presentation is available online at Thomas Levy, M.D. Vitamin C, Electrons, Toxins, and Disease Click on "part 1" and "part 2" to view the Quicktime videos.
     
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    There's been a lot of research on vitamin C. Other than preventing scurvy, which requires very little of it, the other claims turn out to be mostly bogus. There's some evidence that high doses may shave a day off the duration of a cold. There's a lot of evidence that high doses of vitamin C can cause kidney stones. And of course, many vitamins in excess interfere with other vitamins.

    I remember back when I began jogging, around the middle 1980's, reading about DMSO in a running magazine. It's a chemical that is absorbed by the skin, and therefore can be used as a carrier to get other active ingredients into the body. There were a lot of claims. I don't remember if there was any science behind them. But I figure that if it actually worked, I'd hear about it from other than fringe sources.
     
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    Dr. Cathcart used to classify colds by the number of grams of vitamin C per day required to control them. As he said, nobody goes to the doctor with a 30 gram cold, but they do with a 60 gram cold. There are numerous studies that show that you can't cure a 30 gram cold with a half gram dose. Duh.

    In the video referenced above, Dr. Levy talks about research and experience with higher dose treatment with vitamin C. He wrote a book that is filled with journal references to the positive effects of high dose vitamin C. Things like curing polio and keeping aids patients alive before the modern antivirals. One very important aspect is that vitamin C is a general antiviral that doesn't have to be customized for each virus.

    The video is a snapshot of what Dr. Levy knew back in 2003. Since then he has done a lot with dental toxicity and cancer. His website is Dental Toxins, Dental Toxicity, Toxicity, Mercury Fillings, Root Canal, Periodontal Disease, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin C, TomLevyMD.com - Welcome

    Vitamin C and DMSO have a lot in common. They are cheap and effective. That just doesn't cut it in today's medical marketplace. To make it in today's profit oriented medicine, a substance has to be expensive enough to support a lobbying effort for it. The lobbying has to have "scientific evidence" behind it, which requires another whole army of people working on proving/disproving/comparing the substance with competing substances.

    Another treatment you might consider for pain is a bowl of cherries. I don't have the link, but if you google "FDA cherries", I'm sure you can get to the actual research. It seems there is some university research showing that a cup of cherries is about as effective in reducing pain as an aspirin. When the cherry marketing board tried to link to the online research, the FDA came down hard on them. Apparently linking to university research qualifies as a medical claim, and anything making a medical claim has to be vetted by FDA procedures. So the FDA protected us all from the danger of knowing that cherries can help with pain.
     
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    Merry Christmas, Daniel. :)
     
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    Does Rob post anything else besides controversial homeopathic remedies? Lol
     
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    Ya know F8L, nothing cheers up a man in pain like pictures of Elves.
    If one cosses your path again this year, snap a shot and share!!!

    HoHoHo...
     
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    Life may be a bowl of cherries, but I don't think my doctor is involved in a great conspiracy to keep me from cheap, easy, effective cures. And anybody who thinks that 64 grams of vitamin C per day is safe sounds pretty far out to me. When Linus Pauling went on the vitamin C crusade, people took him seriously and a lot of research was done. It did not bear out his claim. And while I don't remember the DMSO story too well (it was two decades ago that I was reading a running magazine) I do seem to remember that there were some very undesirable side effects.
     
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    If I remember correctly, he's a Jehovah's Witness and also posts some interesting "end of days" stuff. I like the JHs. In WWII (according to reports from an acquaintance who was in prison as a CO) most of the WWII COs in prison were JHs and Adventists. (The man in question was an atheist, libertarian, pacifist, and requested and received a transfer from the prison camp for COs to a regular prison, because he was sick of the JHs and Adventists praying over him all the time. He became the librarian at his new prison and was much happier there.)
     
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    Merry Christmas and happy winter solstice to you too, Justin. I hope you're doing okay these days.
     
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    Actually, we've used large doses of Vitamin C here for everything from a cold (generally, we have it down to 3 days, total), to major inflammation - when DH ruptured his disc, both his doctor and the neurologist that he worked with approved "massive doses" of C to reduce inflammation.

    Resources: DoctorYourself.com - Health, Naturally!
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    Heavy drinking has solved all of my problems, or at least I no longer remember them
     
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    I did most of my heavy drinking when I was a teenager. I was well on my way to an early death when I managed to quit. I can drink a beer now, which I do every year or so, and I like the taste, but alcohol makes me feel kind of sick, kind of dizzy, kind of stupid.